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All aboard the S.S. Love Ship! Destination: Mario fandom. Haven't seen the first part? It's right THERE !VIVIAN x MARIO: Mario, being the main character/every man/straight dude of the series, is paired with virtually everybody. This is most evident in the RPG games, especially Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, where it is often hinted that other partner characters have some kind of attraction to him. There's Goombella, who almost confessed at the end of the game, and then you got Vivian, who spends a considerable amount of time alone with the hero... and who also almost confess. That last one initially got a lot of attention shipping-wise. The human/ghost pairing thing is a bit unusual if you weigh the implications, and that's without taking into account that Vivian is strongly implied to be transgender. Hmm...
LUIGI x PEASLEY: Sometimes, the biggest of things can be in the smallest details. Prince Peasley was a minor character in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, but his interaction with Luigi, as little as it was, seem to have sparkled the imagination of a million fan girls, as now there is a huge amount of fan fiction depicting the two in a romantic relationship. If you're looking for yaoi/slash fan fiction in the Mario fandom, this is likely you'll get a ton of this pairing.
PEACH x BOWSER: Have a classic! It's the oldest of them, and the most enduring nowadays. I mean, Peach gets kidnapped so much, maybe it's all part of an elaborate plan to be together with Bowser without hurting Mario's feelings, who knows? Maybe it's just Peach developing a Stockholm syndrome over the years? I'm not here to tell you, there's plenty of fan fiction to quench your thirst for answers, though. But I can tell you that there are also plenty of bait-and-switch scenarios involving the two, courtesy of Nintendo themselves. First, Peach and Bowser getting married in Super Paper Mario, wedding suit and dress and all. Then, it happening again in Super Mario Odyssey (because yes, even though this deviation was submitted in 2008, I still took the time to update the description to include that detail! What are you doing here anyway, looking at my old ass, outdated art? Go see my newest stuff, you silly goose!)
YOSHI x BIRDO: There's something kinda interesting about this shipping: it kind of transcends the traditional couple composition, in the sense that both characters' genders are unclear. Yoshis are sometimes regarded as genderless, since they're all able to lay eggs and there is no gender-specific characteristics in the species. And then you got Birdo who, like Vivian in the second Paper Mario game, can be described as transgender (the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual explicitly states that Birdo is a male who thinks he's a female. That's a rather clumsy and outdated definition of a trans girl, yet it's still one in its core). Although Nintendo subtly let go of the trans implications in recent years, they still tend to associate her with Yoshi, and have gone so far as to make them similar in design and gameplay (after all, they're both egg-generating dinosaurs).
All the characters above belong to Nintendo!
Update, 2018-06-23: brushed up and streamlined the descriptions a bit to reflect my current feelings on each pairing.
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This could be plausible, but again, Nintendo never gives enough information.
Maybe that's what gives its charm to the Mario series, after all.
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naah i jus like the games D
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The item that peasly gave Luigi was a rose.
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I die of laugh eveytime I see the Peach and Bowser pic.
Peasly and Luigi wouldn't work, cause I believe Luigi is straight. If Peasely is looking for a gay character, see Link.
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I believe Luigi is straight as well, but apparently Nintendo likes to make fun of some of their characters (read here: Luigi)
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LuigixPeasly=WTF No ._.
Luigi isn't really gay, and that so-called secret was more as a gag in the game.
Also I think it was said Yoshi does lay eggs that hatch, and Birdo may very well be the first trans. in videogames. Second would be Vivi following because I think in the Jp version she was actually a male._.
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Lol, I know it's a gag. I wasn't really serious when I said Luigi could be gay.
Also, I heard a theory saying that only Yoshi females lay eggs that can hatch into Baby Yoshies. But some other source said Yoshies were asexual. So now I'm kinda wondering what to believe...
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strangely enough first when I played with Vivian I thought that hair in the front was her nose, man that was pretty stupid
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hahaha, that'd be a heck of a weird nose!
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I really agree with your disgust with the Peasley/Luigi thing
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Thanks. Again that's just an opinion, people who like it have the right to.
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Your welcome,and I understand
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just thought u should know 2 things...
1. Peasly gives luigi a yellow rose to get in the beenbeen castle with (according to sorces yellow roses mean true love)
2. viven is a girl, the leader of this group of baddies always calls them Lovlies. also i belive one time the leader called her an ungrateful little girl. (i might have the wording wrong i've been going through a crisis scienc i found out it take most people 2 weeks to beat super mario64 on the n64... and it took me from dec.25/98 to feb.15/09 and i still only have 71 stars!!!)
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According to my sources, a yellow rose could mean friendship or jealousy (although I honestly doubt Peasly is jealous of Luigi)
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i doubt that too!!! 
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Ooh, I love those books. X3
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i know i'd find mine too tell you it's name but... the tigra (or something along those lines) made me cry and i was at school so EVERYONE was staring at me like "WTF is WRONG with HER" so i was pissed at the book and threw it UNDER my bed!!!!!! 
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The reason why people say Vivian is a boy is because Beldam call her a boy in the original Paper Mario 2 (in Japanese, and also in the French version as I heard). But fact is that this could have very well been an insult to Vivian. It's just a matter of interpretation I guess, since there's no other official info about it elsewhere.
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thx to the marioxvivian picture, i feel like drawing a fanart of her/him/thing... but it will be a joke XD
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That's OK, jokes are always welcome!
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and im talking about vivian
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i love your work.it's creavtie and puts most of these dumb fan based realtionships to rest.luigixdaisy and warioxmona are the only ones i like because they have mtutal desire for each other.the idea of bowser and peach is stupid.here's a reality check to all those who support such a horrble relationship.
bowser is the malevloient dictator of the koopa kingdom who rules with a bloody iron fist.his kingdom was transformed into living hell under his rule.a villain of pure evil with immense hatred and anger.Cruel and ruthless he is a power hungry tyrant who leads violent attacks that threatens the lives of millions he is very cruel and sinister,sadistic,twisted,genocidal,racist,brutal,twisted,and commited numerous crimes such as abduction, theft, robbery, terrorism, abuse, toture,harrassment, blackmail, arson, destruction, numerous attempts of mass murder and genocide, minion facilitation, child endangerment, assault, and even acts such as frame-up, fraud, and identity theft.Bowser has never shown any remorse for his actions, which have led to numerous atrocities and caused much destruction from the Mushroom Kingdom all the way to the outer reaches of the universe. Bowser also seems to lack sympathy and has disregard for any form of life. Bowser's many attacks on the Mushroom Kingdom could have easily taken many lives, but Bowser has never shown any remorse when doing these attacks, only focusing on obtaining power and ruling the Mushroom Kingdom with Peach at his side.his feelings for peach shouldn't be mistaken for love.it's pure lust over her beauty,kingdom and potental power.bowser in no way vaules anyone but himself and only sees everything as a tool used fo conquest.if he truly loved her.why does He ruthlessly attacked her kingdom, caused much destruction, and forced her to watch him nearly kill Mario, the person she truly loves, while tied up.plus who will love a blood thristy beastly,ugly,monster who is the ninetndo equalivent to satan?
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He's nowhere near that evil... he plays tennis for christ's sake!
Ganondorf is eviler... if that's even a word.
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tennis games are non cannoical my friend.this is referring to the mainstream mario games.which includes RPG'S ,paltformers and the paper seires and all mario games with a storyline.
as for gannodorf being more evil.may i remind you gannondorf was orignally a good guy.he was born poor in a horrible desert-like enviroment where his people were tormented by deadly sandstorms during the day, and a freezing cold that pierced their homes at night. The gentle, calm breeze that blew across Hyrule Field brought things other than suffering and ruin, and thus his longing for control over the kingdom was sparked out of a desire to bring his people to peace. However, after delving into research about the Triforce, a relic that was both omniscient and omnipotent, Ganondorf's mind was warped into believing that power was the only means to this end. Some time after aiding the King of Hyrule in unifying the land under the Royal Family's banner, he arranged a meeting with the King and became an advisor, further helping him in restoring order. In secret, however, he plotted to overthrow the King and unleash his own reign upon the land.
gannondorf is no doubt a very evil villan.but gannondorf himself is not really as evilasyou hype him to be.the realpure evil creature is gannon.the demon that controls gannondorf.gannon is pure evilwhile gannondorf is a crouppted human who became evil.
as for your view on bower.you terribly underesimate bowser.bowser as a child tired elimanting the mario bros.he contorled an entire army and was extemely rich.yet commits crimes anyways.
bowser is a power hungry tyrant who leads violent attacks that threatens the lives of hundreds. Bowser's ultimate goal is to conquer the Mushroom Kingdom, and eventually, the entire universe. His infamous plans and numerous crimes, ranging from kidnapping to terrorism, have earned him a reputation feared by the entire Mushroom World.his kidnapping of peach is equalivent to why gannondorf kidnaps zelda.peach has potential hidden powers that can make bowser who is already powerful unstopable.so kid you need to read a litte more into things or you will always be wrong.
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... You can do make ANY character sound evil or non evil that way.
Ganondorf's goal is to seize the power of the gods, the triforce for himself, and even though he only obtained one part of it, look at what he accomplished:
He burn Hyrule to the ground, unleashed monsters on the temples of hyrule so the sages wouldnt reappear, turned kokiri forest into a no man's land, captured all the gorons, freezed king zora and the rest of the zoras, and turned everyone's life into a living hell, for seven years he RULED Hyrule, will bowser hasn't taken control of mushroom kingdom once.
and even though he has DIED, he keeps coming back, with the triforce still in his hand, he survived being impaled by the sword of sages, broke free, killed a sage, grab a hold of the sword for himself, went to twilight and gave only a glimpse of his power to zant that transform 5/7 of hyrule into twilight, transformed midna into an imp and controlled the twili to do his bidding, al while under ganondorfs control, and this is just one game!
Bowser has done his fare share of 'evil' deeds but he's no where near as evil as ganondorf, he has yet to kill someone off screen, his only concrete plan is to capture the princess, and changes up how he does hoping he hits the nail on the head sooner or later.
You claim he threatens the lives of many, but when he cant defeat a PLUMBER, then at some point he's gonna lose credibility.
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ture. but you fogret this plumber has super powers.he can lift and throw bowser who weighs around 5 tons hundreds of feet in the air.jump and run at far greater speeds and heights than a normalhuman and learned toshoot shoot fireballs hot enough to burn on water without a powerup. no doubt it's humliating for a powerful villan is defeated by a smallplumbr.but really no less humatiling than a daklord being deeated by a child or a teenager wearing a tunic
gannondorf has done a lot of evil things.such as nearly destroying hyrule.bowser has token over the kingdom at least three times.SMB 1,SMB3, AND PAPER MARIO.
in the origianl he turned all the strongest fighters and soilders to stone.sent armies of monsters to terroize the entire kingdom,kidnapped the princess capableof undoing his dark magic and imprisoned seen of peach's strongest toads in forts in the mushroom kingdom.
in 3 he assembled a massive amry invasion on the mushroom world.capturing 7 of the most powerful kingdoms with his 7 powerful children which used magic to turn kings to animals and throw the entire world to chaos.once agian having monsters attack the kingdoms then kidnapps peach in a act of despration to maintain his shortlived rule.
in papermario.he stole the star rod and threw the kingdominto chaos becoming the de facto ruler of the kingdom.sending out monsters to raid and steal from towns and villages.attack people and nearly destroyed homes and familes as well as nealry destroying the castletown by lifting up peach's castle and hurling it into the sky.
gannondorf although very evil really never had a kingdom of his own which compelledhimto takeover hyrule not tometion his own osbbesion of power,the evil sprit gannon within him and his jealously over th royal hyrule family made him this superme evil overlord we all know and fear.
bowser on the other hand had a kingdom for at least 30 years.the koopa kingdom and has ruled it with an ironfist.he has caused the kingdom to become a firey hell under his rule with monsters still roaming his countryside.
as for his conrcete plans While his plans often involve a repetitive phase of abducting the princess, it has become apparent it has more to do with Bowser's attraction to Peach rather than an actual step in a plot. He is however intelligent enough to realize Mario is more than a formidable foe and takes measures to combat this. An example of this is in Paper Mario, where Bowser steals the Star Rod to wield against his eternal nemesis. This resulted in his first victory and allowed him to temporarily control the Mushroom Kingdom, proving that it is well within his abilities to do so.
Bowser attacked Rosalina's observatory, and stole all the Power Stars and the Seven Grand Stars that powered the observatory. Bowser used these incredible stars to bring his entire fleet to the cosmos and took over many galaxies, planning to construct a galaxy reactor, powered by the Grand Stars that would make all the galaxies collapse upon themselves. This would give birth to a new cosmos in which he would use to rule and control all of the universe as a Galactic Empire that would last forever with Peach as his empress. Bowser then kidnapped Peach during the events of the Star Festival, and held her at the center of the universe where he was overseeing the construction of his reactor.he tried to kill all life in the universe so he can build his own world were he enforces things with terror and fear.an you say he isn't as evil as gannondorf.
Bowsr's goal is to obatin as much power as he can so he can do what he pleases with the universe.he's every bit as power hungry as gannondorf.your too dense to see that.
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Many of those things you listed, he has not done. What he has done is, kidnapped Peach, stolen some valuable stuff such as the Star Rod, attacked Peach's kingdom (though it was never to an extreme, like terrorism), and at the worst, tried to kill Mario. Or seemingly so, anyway. I don't think he necessarily wants him dead, just out of the way.
Like I said, you're WAY overstating Bowser's so-called "evilness".
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Bowser DOES clearly love her. I think you're way overstating his so-called "evilness". It's been made obvious in all of the Paper Mario games that he loves her. In the first Paper Mario, he writes in his journal that he hopes she likes him, in the second Paper Mario, if you listen to one of the Hammer Bros., you'll hear them talking about how Bowser was gazing longingly at a photo of Peach. And in Super Paper Mario, he not only calls her his "lovely wife", but also says that he'd consider helping out if it were for her (although not for Mario).
Also, the only reason he continues to attack is because Mario is always in his way. Also, he does have an image to maintain, being an evil king. It's not like Peach would suddenly like him back just for stopping attacking, and that would probably also wreck his reputation amongst his loyal minions, and whatnot.
Plus, when has Bowser ever mentioned sex, or anything implying it?
Bowser is supposed to seem evil, but in reality, he's not THAT evil, as the Paper Mario games prove.
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why did he attack the mushrooom kingdom in the frist place.last time i check,he cleary wanted power not love.as a baby,he attacked and torrmented his own people.his love for peach doesn't change his overall evil pesronatily.
as for his love for peach.it's mainly a physicial one with her.bowser would not be constantly kidnapping peach and violently attack kingdoms.you terribly undermine his evil.the only reason he seemd less evil is because a more powerful villan usually comes in the RPGS.
people think bowser is good because he loves peach.but that's false.for one bowser doesn't really love he.he is obsseed with her.it'sa obseesion relating to her beauty,power,roaylity and her sex appeal.
second bowser is avillain of pure evil with immense hatred and anger. a Cruel and ruthless power hungry tyrant who leads violent attacks that threatens the lives of many. Bowser's ultimate goal is to conquer the Mushroom Kingdom, and eventually, the entire universe. His infamous plans and numerous crimes, ranging from kidnapping to terrorism, have earned him a reputation feared by the entire Mushroom World.he had many chances to reform but slimply refusd.
what's best said of bowser is that Bowser has never shown any remorse for his actions, he is extremely ecocentric to the point he has a god like complex.he's openly brutal and sadistic,tortuting and even killing his own minons with no regrad for their familes.nazis.
to those who think he's not same preson totured his caretaker as baby.lived in a castle tree house filthy rich never had to struugle for anything.yet he openly inficts brutally on people for amusement.he builds lavish castles at volcanoes,put dungenos he proudly displays with skeletal remians of his victms and cannons and traps to kill intruders,while many starve in his kingdom.builds a large miltary from the backs of his people while he really doesn't need one.he only builds for his own desire of war and terror.uses his own children and lies to them to fill out his on evil agenda.the only reason he helped mario in the past is to elimante a rival villan so he can monoploze evil.bowser is the scougre of the marioverse,he's as evil as gannondof is to the zelda univese and how dick cheney is in our universe
you are really WAY underestimated bowser's evil.you can't reform what has been proven in the games.
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You do know that this is Mario you're talking about, not Metroid or any serious title, right? Mario isn't meant to be deep as to say that Bowser is so evil as you say; in Nintendo's eyes, he is only a comic villain.
Remember Super Paper Mario? Yes, his two koopa minions who helped Peach go free (and still loyal to Bowser) are comparable to Nazis... yes that makes sense. Not. They also were DEATH TRAUMA SCARED OF HIM. No, because in that situation they would not have remained loyal to Bowser.
Yes, let's get back to Super Paper Mario where he decided to stay behind and fight O'Chunks, and let the group go ahead even if he knew he could have ended up being squished.
OH YEAH A HORRIBLE VILLAIN LOVES TO WRITE LOVE POEMS AND NOTES. He had NO REASON to write that diary, he had no one to show it too, might as well be honest with yourself.
When's the last time he had his own minions killed? Last time I checked he only shouted at them and called t hem a bunch of idiots. Sure he has a god-complex, but that's part of what makes his character COMICAL. Get it? Comical.
The whole Peach thing? Like you said, Bowser was a spoilt brat and from what we gather from Yoshi's story he never really had parental figures; just servants that were indited into following his orders. Bowser only knows how to get things from orders and then from force. He doesn't really know any better.
Did it ever occur to you that the skeletal remains are just simple people who wandered into the traps?
PS: no one ever dies in Mario. It's Mario for frickin's sake.
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you totally contraidcted yourself."no one ever dies in Mario"why are there skeletial remians?why do boos and ghosts exist?fact is that people do die in the mario world.maybe no in a hailof bullets ora pool of blood.but they die anyways.wheter being blown up by man sized bullets or crushed by 10 ton blocks.
but then agian you can be refering to the main characters like mario himself.mind you mario is superhuman.it's not very easy to kill him.espically when he hass life shrooms protecting him.all the other villans like smithy never returned.and they were own being defeated with great force that they couldn't even surrive.
as for the dairy thing.hilter keeped a dairy yet slaughtered millions of jews.if your going to prove bowser isn't evil.come up with better crap than that.bowser ruthlessly attack kingdoms and tries ruling the world.having a diary and showing a obseeion doesn't really prove he isn't evil.
as for the not killing his minons part.have you even played super paper mario or seen the new mario and luigi game.in the new mario game one of bowser's attacks is throwing a plie of bruning goombas at the eney and watching both the goombas and the eneies die.bowser has no problems abusing or killing his eneimes.in thousand year door.he burned kammy koopa nearly killing her in one of his scences and you say he doesn't kill or hurt his minons.
as for the o chunks scence,it was no doubt of bowser's more human monments.but he was only doing it to outmuscle o'chunks and show he was stronger than him.he even refers it in his dialgoue in the game.
as for the "simple people who wandered into bowser's traps"why would bowser have so many castles and traps filled with skeletial remains?he had these since he was a baby..you really don't makeyour case any better.you simplyonly acknowlegde that bowser has dungeons filled with skelteions of people tortured,executed or slimply left to starve to death by a cruel and ruthless leader.
it'strue that bowser is a comicalvillan.but only in rpg's.which still count to the mainstream.in the platformers he's usaully the main villan.Although the game still had a humorous tone to Bowser, he was also shown to be very cruel and sinister in many scenes. Outside the RPG series, Bowser is not as comical, and in many instances is shown to be pure evil.
you cleary either downplaying and denying the very real character bowser is.or a very poorly informed pesron who can't notice bowser's blatant evil triats.he was a prince so he did had a father and mother but did it ever accorded to you bowser killed them at a very early age to gain power.if bowser will go as far as unviersal domination.killing his parents isn't that far fecthed.
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Ok, fine, maybe there are skeletal remains, but skeletons aren't really scary to children anymore unless portrayed as such. I don't see it as any different than a goofy pretend skeleton in a children's halloween party. Boo's are a weird thing because Nintendo says that they're dead people yet at the same time they're portrayed as a separate race/species. Your problem is that you see Mario like this: [link]
Is Mario like that? No, Mario looks like rainbows and happiness. That's how Nintendo portrays it. If you want to make it out to be all dark, then go ahead and write a fanfiction or essay on the dark messages and subtexts or whatever. Might as well go ahead and argue that Mario is overdosing on 'shrooms as drugs, and that the 1-up mushrooms and so on are actuall Toads' decapitated heads.
Whenever it's made out that people DO die, again, Nintendo keeps it comical; look and the underworld with the souls mentioning how they died; Comical.
All of those scenes you mention are SUPPOSED to be COMICAL. If we had seen Ganondorf do the same in LoZ it'd be different because there'd be ominous music and darkness and whatnot, but in Mario you're supposed to relax and laugh. And no, the goomba probably didn't die, and I doubt Kammy was anywhere close to death. She just did the whole cartoon trick where you turn black, make a joke, and are perfectly fine 10 seconds afterwards. I'm sure that if Kammy was hurt realistically it'd be a whole nother story. I doubt Nintendo puts subtle messages telling children that killing people is funny in a Mario game. What you're doing is no different than looking at the looney tunes and seeing merciless attempted slaughter and gore - which while I agree can be interpreted as such, it is not what the producers attempt to portray. Mario is NOT Grand Theft Auto.
You're overanalyzing things; the game producers just saw "oh we have to make dungeons so we compulsorily have to add some bones and such." There was no thoughts of BOWSER IS AN EVIL RUTHLESS LEADER AND WE MUST SHOW HOW HORRID HE IS BY PUTTING BONES IN HIS DUNGEONS.
No, it did not occur to me that Bowser had his parents killed because I'm sure that his full-grown koopa parents would have been much stronger than him who was still in diapers, and because I see the Marioverse as how the game producers intend to portray it; where there's stars and pure hearts and rainbows and defiance of the laws of physics and gravity.
Honestly though, if you want to look SO DEEP at such a superficial thoughtless series such as Mario, go ahead, but it was never, NEVER, intended for it to be portrayed as such.
I am not downplaying ANYTHING, you are the one who's overanalyzing things and looking at the marioverse from the wrong angle. If you really think that in a game where there are talking mushrooms there are such sinister dark messages like the ones you talk about, especially when you INSIST that your view is the ABSOLUTE CORRECT ONE then you are the one who has to get their head out of their ass. Because honestly, unless I see Bowser shown in a way that makes me fear him, he'll still be the goofy villain that talks to posters and has a funny dance as a taunt in Brawl. And he'll be that way to 99.999% of people that play mario games.
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Find me actual proof that bowser indeed killed his parents, and please ganondorf has redeads, giants mountrous hands, skeleton knights as his disposal, bowser has FUCKING MUSHROOMS to do his bidding.
Quote from bowser
'I shall rule the universe with peach by my side' in mario galaxy.
bowser.loves.peach.
Ganondorf has never shown remorse either, he KILLED A SAGE ON SCREEN, more than bowser has done, and please try to not insult my girlfriend's intelligence.
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i never say he acutally killed his parents.i said clearly he probably did.konwing the brute.it wouldn't be that far off.
as for bowser's army.you cleary forget he has much more than that.bowser has ghost,airships,tanks,undead soliders(dry bones) that can comeback to life.amrored kinght koopas,hammer brothers,magickoopas,man eating plants, and those are his weaker eniemes.
and we allknow about bowser's true feelings for peach.
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where on earth do you get this? XD
Bowser has been shown as a comical villain in almost every single game he's been in. it is true that he was shown to be more violent and such in the earlier games, as his character was still in the process, but in all recent games his world conquest ideas are more comedy-based than dictatorial. he's ego-centric, yes, but not a violent brute who rules over his minions with an iron fist.
I'm not saying that Bowser is even close to perfect, but he isn't evil. if he is, then what does that make of the actual video game villains like Ganondorf (for lack of any other Nintendo villains to recall at this late hour)? afterall, if you call him true evil, that would make king Dedede from kirby just shy of true evil as well, and Dedede is like, 95% comedy.
sorry to be so argumentative... I normally ignore this stuff, but Bowser is my favorite character from any game/show etc. sorry again.
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The problem is, this is how he sees the Mario series: [link]
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I guess you might say I contradicted my own point of him loving her, by saying that he just wants someone to rule with. But he probably got lonely without someone to rule with, noticed Peach, and fell in love with her. It could be more of an attraction or a crush than actual love, but still.
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understandable.i see you seem not to think bowser isn't100% evil.i wouldn't blame you for that after bowser being in a 5 year hiatus from the main villan spotlight.i willlike a debate on the subject.bowser is a pretty complex character.it will take some though and factfinding efore ihave a full complpeted anaylsis.i'll talk to you later
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And he's also been kidnapping Peach since they were both babies. Has it ever occurred to you that he might have liked her since all the way back then?
I hardly think his obsession is related just to her beauty, sex appeal, and wanting power. Doing things like writing in your journal about someone, or gazing at a picture of them, is usually a sign of love, not just some obsession of finding them hot and/or wanting some sort of power. And, once again, Bowser DID offer to help her in Super Paper Mario, as well as referred to her as his beloved.
Yeah, all his attacking seems cruel and ruthless, but like I said, he probably only does that because it forces Mario to take action, and he probably just wants him out of his way. I'm aware of his big, evil plan in Galaxy, with wanting to destroy the universe, and create a new one to rule with Peach. But if you ask me, he probably only did this because it was the only plan left that he felt would actually work. Numerous attempts to defeat Mario, and rule the Mushroom Kingdom, all failed, so he decided to try something bigger and different. All that considered, I think he just wants to rule the kingdom (or have SOMEWHERE to rule) alongside Peach. He wants to have Peach as his queen, so he can have someone to rule with. After all, it was stated in a very old issue of Nintendo Power that he had a wife named Clawdia. And I wouldn't doubt this, considering his kids had to have come from somewhere. I bet something probably happened to her, and he got lonely without someone to rule with, and decided Peach would be perfect.
Now you're probably going to say that contradicts the first part of my comment. But my guess is that he's had an interest in Peach since they were babies, met Clawdia when he was a bit older, had the Koopalings+Jr. with her, then at some point, something probably happened to her. Hence, he went back to Peach.
Bowser WAS a bit spoiled as a baby, I'll grant that, but I have NEVER seen him attack people simply for his own amusement. Of course he wants to keep intruders out of his castle. The volcanoes and dungeons are pretty much set up for Mario, to try to keep him from making it. Game-wise, Bowser hasn't interacted with his children at all. They just appeared as bosses.
I know Bowser seems super evil, but if you can take the time to look at it from a different viewpoint, he may not be truly evil. I'm not going to deny he's done a lot of evil stuff, but I highly doubt if he's PURE evil, like you're trying to claim he is, for the given reasons.
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I agree with your points, but technically even in galaxy, Lord Bowser did not want to destroy the universe, he just wanted to create a new one. though I guess it could be taken to mean he would have to destroy the current one, but he did not actually say that he was going to destroy the current one. ^^
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he uses his minions and cruely abuses them in the upcoming mario and luigi rpgas a form of attack.and the scence when kamek was brutally beaten by baby bowser for waking him up.he tried killing mario and luigi when they were still babies.he always had dungeons and castles not just for mario,but for innocent people he abuses for personal gain or or amusement.he openly shows off his demonic nature.even in games were he isn't the main villan.
i see were your going with bowser's
desire for peach.there's no doubt bowser loves her.or so it seems.we can both agree that bowser has always desired peach since he was a child.but then agian who wouldn't,peach is a very beautiful woman with increidble political,social and ecomonic power and controls one of the most powerful nations of the mushroom world.i honestly don't see how anyone wouldn't want her.what's even more valuable than that his her hidden powers.if anyone has control of her will.they can use it to conquer entire worlds.
you do have a point,bowser's desire for peach grew from a simple obesseion to love in recent games as bowser cleary shows.but this love surely hasn't made him any less evil.bowser in fact grew more evil and maleviolent.overcomed by anger,lust,osbession,desire and love combined with jealousy has made this demon even more determined to commit greater crimes.bowser was never good at any point at his life.not even once did he do something for someone else.
even in the rpg's.he only helps to destory a stronger villan,he doesn't want anyone else to kidnapp peach,takeover the world or kill mario.however peach did really helped persaude him in super paper mario.so it does say peach is capable of bringing even the most vile and evil hearts to her side.
bowser's "love" forpeach has made him seem far less evil,but he hasn't really changed at all.it'sthat peach acutally process a rare and unigue power to cleanse evil souls and cause vritually anyone to fall in love with her instantly.for example TEC-XX,the x-nuat super computer fell in love with her instantly and was driven to betraty his master.if a machine can fall in love with her.then demonic creatures like bowser aren't that better off.except bowser was born evil and chooses to stay evil.
as for his desire for peach,thing is peach doesn't love him back.in fact it's safe today she hates his guts.bowser's feelings for peach may be real.but peach doesn't love him.she lovesmario.bowser and peach arenothing alike.peach is for peace and love while bowser is for war and destruction.peach is the essence of beauty,beleviolence and democracy while bowser is for replusvieness,malevlioence and trrany.
overall you may see maybe a very small gleamour of good forced out of him by his desire for peach.but overall bowser has been proven to be pure evil.in Super Paper Mario.the chaos heart was created by the focre marriage of a pure heart and a pure evil heart.if bowser isn't pure evil.he's damn near close to it.there is no changing this guy to the good side.i looked at your point of view and understand were your coming from.but his desire forpeach doesn't outweigh the vast evil in his heart.not even close.
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Peach hates his guts? Really?
Let's go back to Super Paper Mario; When Peach found refuge from Bleck's castle, what did she say to Mario and Merlin? That she wanted to find Luigi AND Bowser because she was worried about them.
She was worried about Bowser, and when he practically sacrificed himself to let her and the Mario bros go ahead she stayed behind for a little bit.
Honestly? No, I don't think Peach hates Bowser. Even if you don't count SPM or the paper series as canon I don't think Peach is capable of hating anyone, she has shown to have a pure heart and all that after all.
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in that same seires in paper mario.she showed some strong dislike foir him.refering to him as "the single worst distaer to happen to the mushroom kingdom".addimety i overstated peach's strong dislike for bowser largey due to the brutaliy bowser inflicts on the mushroom kingdom and his constant kidnappings of peach.but you have to admit peach has some form of growing serect haterd for bowser.
peach tends to believe that bowser can change for the better good and he can use his powers to bring peace to the world.that's probably why she doesn'tcompletey hate him even though she has every reason to.also asyou cleary noted she isn't viloent by nature.
as for the paper seires,they are very cannonical.in fact they tend to become increaslingly deeper with the storytelling and character narration.though it's still nowhere near final fanatsay levels.
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Of course she's going to call him something like that - he is a disaster to the mushroom kingdom - I disagree on him taking lives, but he has done a lot of property damage. I agree, she may dislike him, think of him as rude, selfish, cruel, etc. However, I don't think she's growing a secret hate for him. In fact I believe the opposite, judging from super paper mario and RPG she's actually in denial about liking him - again, she stayed behind when he was about to get crushed, something Mario wouldn't do despite being all heroic and such, and towards the end she didn't even seem to mind Bowser calling himself her "hubby." Going on, I don't even think Mario hates Bowser considering that he insisted Bowser join them and behaved rather casual about it.
I won't go so far as to argue that Peach is growing a crush on Bowser, but I do think she is somewhat fond of him as a friend and considers him more or less harmless by himself (again, it's when he gets a superpower that he's a problem). Heck, if she really HATED being kidnapped all that much I'm sure she'd install a better and more effective security system if you want to look at it realistically.
I agree, I really like them myself. :3
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what are you taking about.no serucity system will protect you from a villan who surrived giant expolisons,castle celings falling on him or asupernova exposlion.you rally think you can beat him with a gun your sadly mistaken.
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If those far-fetched ways could exist to actual DAMAGE Bowser enough, I'm sure that there are some far-fetched security system that probably would have worked.
Wait, guns in Mario? lol no.
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yeah try welidng a 2,000 lb spike bomb in your hands without dropping it and blowing youself up.if you can do that then you have a point.yeah guns won't even work on bowser.i dare you to think of a effective security system that can hold him off.
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I don't need to - it's fucking Mario for earth's sake. But all right, here's one; Why not have Mario live in the castle?
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doesn't he vist the castle like every day.i beieve he's qutie a vistor.but even with him around.bowser finds someway to kidnap her.
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