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All aboard the S.S. Love Ship! Destination: Mario fandom. Haven't seen the first part? It's right THERE !VIVIAN x MARIO: Mario, being the main character/every man/straight dude of the series, is paired with virtually everybody. This is most evident in the RPG games, especially Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, where it is often hinted that other partner characters have some kind of attraction to him. There's Goombella, who almost confessed at the end of the game, and then you got Vivian, who spends a considerable amount of time alone with the hero... and who also almost confess. That last one initially got a lot of attention shipping-wise. The human/ghost pairing thing is a bit unusual if you weigh the implications, and that's without taking into account that Vivian is strongly implied to be transgender. Hmm...
LUIGI x PEASLEY: Sometimes, the biggest of things can be in the smallest details. Prince Peasley was a minor character in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, but his interaction with Luigi, as little as it was, seem to have sparkled the imagination of a million fan girls, as now there is a huge amount of fan fiction depicting the two in a romantic relationship. If you're looking for yaoi/slash fan fiction in the Mario fandom, this is likely you'll get a ton of this pairing.
PEACH x BOWSER: Have a classic! It's the oldest of them, and the most enduring nowadays. I mean, Peach gets kidnapped so much, maybe it's all part of an elaborate plan to be together with Bowser without hurting Mario's feelings, who knows? Maybe it's just Peach developing a Stockholm syndrome over the years? I'm not here to tell you, there's plenty of fan fiction to quench your thirst for answers, though. But I can tell you that there are also plenty of bait-and-switch scenarios involving the two, courtesy of Nintendo themselves. First, Peach and Bowser getting married in Super Paper Mario, wedding suit and dress and all. Then, it happening again in Super Mario Odyssey (because yes, even though this deviation was submitted in 2008, I still took the time to update the description to include that detail! What are you doing here anyway, looking at my old ass, outdated art? Go see my newest stuff, you silly goose!)
YOSHI x BIRDO: There's something kinda interesting about this shipping: it kind of transcends the traditional couple composition, in the sense that both characters' genders are unclear. Yoshis are sometimes regarded as genderless, since they're all able to lay eggs and there is no gender-specific characteristics in the species. And then you got Birdo who, like Vivian in the second Paper Mario game, can be described as transgender (the Super Mario Bros. 2 manual explicitly states that Birdo is a male who thinks he's a female. That's a rather clumsy and outdated definition of a trans girl, yet it's still one in its core). Although Nintendo subtly let go of the trans implications in recent years, they still tend to associate her with Yoshi, and have gone so far as to make them similar in design and gameplay (after all, they're both egg-generating dinosaurs).
All the characters above belong to Nintendo!
Update, 2018-06-23: brushed up and streamlined the descriptions a bit to reflect my current feelings on each pairing.
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Comments: 526
tanuki-kage In reply to ??? [2009-03-19 07:19:00 +0000 UTC]
There's no evidence that he's there every other day. Judging by the tone the letter in the beginning of SPM it seems that he's not.
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345rv5 In reply to tanuki-kage [2009-03-19 15:04:16 +0000 UTC]
well whta about all the other mario games.such as the origingal paper mario for exmaple.
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tanuki-kage In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-19 19:07:15 +0000 UTC]
I did mention the original paper mario.
Ugh, look, we are looking at the same stupid games from different angles; You think Mario is something to look at from a realistic perspective, that's fine. I see Mario by how it portrays itself; a G rated cartoon-y game where it's all cute stuff and the biggest deal is property damage - hell it seems that dying isn't commonplace and isn't a big deal because Dry Bones and Boos seem to still come back to work and wear cute outfits anyway. Honestly, I don't think Miyamoto meant it to be seen as anything more than the usual shallow cutesy stuff - how I see it and how most players see it else we would have had a game that looked like the picture I linked you to. Until that graphic game comes and I see Bowser realistically killing someone and having deep scary music (or no music at all, which is even creepier), having an entrance like Ganondorf did in Twilight Princess and having actual SCARY minions I will continue to see the Marioverse as cutesy.
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345rv5 In reply to tanuki-kage [2009-03-19 19:31:15 +0000 UTC]
well that's your view.your entiled to your narrow minded view.but don't continue to annoy me with your igorance.it seems whatever i say is true.you outright downplay and deny it.i never said bowser was as scary as gannondorf in terms of appearance.again you seem to be judging a book by it's cover.it's that thinking that makes you part of the problem with society.let's end this converastion
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tanuki-kage In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-19 20:48:39 +0000 UTC]
Yes, my narrow minded view that about 98.9% of everyone who plays Mario games has. You're the one who's taking a game that was CLEARLY not meant to be portrayed as a violence ridden game and making it to be something that it's not. It's fine to look at Mario realistically, but you're the first person who takes it seriously and not as a joke. Yes, I am narrow-minded when it comes to Mario, but that's the way it was supposed to be looked at; shallowly. I can see the sinistry fine in other games but for fuck's sake it's frickin' MARIO.
Whut? Bowser in terms of appearance is scarier than Ganondorf who to anyone just looks like a villainous and very tall human, it's the way they're portrayed that makes all the difference. Whenever Ganondorf appears there's always an eeriness to it, when Bowser does he just makes himself out to be a complete goof. I'm the one that usually lectures people on not judging by appearances.
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SuperMarioFan In reply to ??? [2009-03-18 08:30:19 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I think it's safe to say Bowser's love for Peach is indeed real, in part because he's lonely. Bowser continues to attack because Mario is constantly in his way, like I said, and he may have also been raised that way as a child. He loves Peach, and just wants someone to rule with, but was raised to be evil (or at least that would be my guess). Also, I know the forced marriage involved a pure heart, but I don't recall anything about the OTHER heart having to be PURE evil. Therefore, I don't think he IS pure evil.
Also, I know this is only one example, but he did help Mario and the gang out in Bleck's castle, by helping O'Chunks hold the ceiling up for them.
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345rv5 In reply to SuperMarioFan [2009-03-18 16:10:01 +0000 UTC]
well you needed a pure evil heart to fuse with the chaos heart.it was stated in the game.bowser's heart before it fused with peach was dark red and black while peach's was white and bluish.that formed the gray chaos heart.because white and black forms gray.
it seems without a pure evil heart.the chaos heart wouldn't ever been created.you really don't een need to read it though to know that it's the basic laws of nature.for someone of pure good comes someone of pure evil.
as i said before,you don't really have to look far to see the overwhelming differences between peach and bowser.the way they rule their kingdoms shows us their true characteristics.bowser's kingdom is the equalivent of living hell while the mushroom kingdom is paradise.enough said there.
as forthe lonely part.i really doubt it.those eight children came from somewhere.he either has a wife,mupilte girlfriends or sex slaves.i seirously doubt he's a lonely guy.more of a power hungry guy.loneiness doesn't justify bombing the crap out of major cites aand towns or trying to destroy the universe.
as for his love or peach.agian if bowse really had any decency or good in his heart you cialm he has.why does he contuine to attack her kingdom and kidnapp her.wouldn't he leave her be.if bowserwas really nice,wouldn't he let mario and peach be together instead of trying to destory peach's true love.
as for being raised evil.that wasn't the case.at the age of1 or 2 he tried killing mario by having kamek cary out a attempted hit on the plumbers.but ended up kidnapping luigi.he tried to strave off the yoshi race by stealing their food supply shortly after that.from brith to present,bowser has always shown a desire for evil and commited the worst cimes in the mushroom world.all without any signs of remorse and all the signs of a pure evil villan.
nice guess.had not for his actual behavior in the games contradicting your guess.you will probably be on to something here.also tha one time with holding the ceiling to collaspe.heonly did it to try to show off his strentgh and outmuslce o'chunks and impress peach.again acting on his own ego and selfish desires over actually caringof the fate of the planet.even at his nicest.he still smells very evil.and horrble
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SuperMarioFan In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-18 17:17:33 +0000 UTC]
All I remember hearing was that a princess of pure heart needed to marry an evil king in order for it to be formed. I can't recall hearing anything about PURE evil.
I think Bowser IS lonely, and DID have a wife. I mean, it was officially revealed in a very old Nintendo Power issue, as I said. Something must've happened to her. The reason he continues to attack, is probably both to make things easier for himself, and also doesn't take the time to consider that it's not working, and has gotten him a bad reputation. After all, even if he didn't attack, there's still the fact that Mario and Peach are together, which makes things pretty hard for him either way.
I think Bowser WAS raised to be evil. I'm pretty sure he was raised by a group of Magikoopas and/or Kamek, who are known for being pretty evil. I both recall having heard this, and it sure seems this way in Yoshi's Island. He may have been raised that way as an infant (before age 1 or 2) or had a spell put on him, which turned him evil.
Just my theory, though I don't think it's too farfetched.
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345rv5 In reply to SuperMarioFan [2009-03-18 18:01:35 +0000 UTC]
it seems your in denial of bowser being evil.you try to downplay his evil to a certain extent.it'smadeclearinsuper papermario that the oppsotie of apue heart is needed to make the chaos heart.a pure evil heart.
evil kings are the most evil forces in the universe,they live to destroy,conquer and pillage the people.trying to cover it up saying bowser is an evilking doesn'tmake him sound any better.
fact is kings have far less excuses to be evil.they are born rich,have money,power and control of kingdoms.they have everything they always wanted.giving them no reason to justify evil ad making them far more evil than a evil person who comitts crimes because he's poor. for exampleevilmonarchs like frieza and king cold in the dragonball z universe commited more crimes than any fictional villan in history and they were evil royality.
it's true kamek did raise bowser as ahild.but that doesn't cover up the fact bowser was born evil.if i recall carefully,kamek was a sevrant to bowser,not the evil wizzard master.according to the games.kamek is serving under a prohechey were they believe bowser is a maleviolent god-like figure.not some run on the mill king.no doubt kamekis a very evil guy,but he is not as evil as bowser.
the magickoopas are an evil cultof koopas who prefected the dark magic arts and are well known for their dark magic have probably been existed for over thousands of years terrorizing humanitly.i beieve the bowser we know today is the reincranton ofa extermely powerful demon who once nearly destroyed earth.that's my take on him.
it would help explain his incredible powers,bowser the most powerful main mario character in terms of physical strentgh,can create shockwaves by doing a simple ground pound,he's immmortal for he can't be killed by any attack.only damaged or injuried,when he always returned.,he returns even stronger than before.he has god-like powers but is far from holy.it he isn't a demon.i don't know what is a demon
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tanuki-kage In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-19 03:38:35 +0000 UTC]
I think you're taking the Marioverse waaaaaaay too seriously.
I can understand where you're coming from if you look at Mario from a realistic point of view (and a lot other creepier things come to mind if you think of it that way), however the marioverse is strictly happiness and rainbows 98% of the time (I mean, there's eyes on... everything) and isn't a game meant to be deeply psychoanalyzed and viewed from the same angle you would view Bioshock or Fable 2 or Metroid even.
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345rv5 In reply to tanuki-kage [2009-03-19 04:59:31 +0000 UTC]
i'm not trying to do that.i'm just saying it's made painfullly oblious by the interpation of the charaacters in the seires.it may not have a deep story as Bioshock.but come on,if they have a evil demonic trule with a massvie army and constructs massiv castles in lava pits,is depictied to be extermely powerful,and openly displyas a evil selfish personatliy.you really don't neeed that much thought to sum up characters like that.it's basic common sense
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tanuki-kage In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-19 05:12:44 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, but it's also common sense that hills, clouds and mushrooms don't have eyes either. Your point?
Yes, Bowser is considered an evil king. However, he hasn't been portrayed as the scary evil villain like you seem to try to paint him as in like... forever. No, never in the history of the games has he really been anything more than a comic villain. He has massive amounts of castles and an army because he's a king. Of course he's going to have an army and castles. Besides, for all we know Darkland is an extremely rich nation and Bowser can afford to get himself those huge castles, which look like that because, hey, he's a villain he needs a dark and gloomy looking castle.
Yes, Bowser has an openly selfish personality, but he never comes across as more than a playground bully, much less anything comparable to Ganondorf.
I can understand where you get your conclusions, but once again, I don't think the Mario games were meant to be interpreted the way you're seeing things.
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345rv5 In reply to tanuki-kage [2009-03-19 06:11:54 +0000 UTC]
man you really appear to be very dense and moronic.you cleary cliaming a payground bully would try to destory many lives.the only reason why millons ween'tkilled is because mario always came to save them.otherwise the death rate will be far higher.gannondorf himself was never really depictied killing anyone either in game except the water sage in twilight princess. yet we know he's killed many people.he's done many things slimar to what bowser has done.
notice gannondorf leads viloent attacks on hyrule slimar to the way bowser does with the mushroom kingdom.they had both kidnapped princess pocessing great potential power and were defeated before they can kill milloins of people.i hope that it gets though your thick skull that bowser has done crimes very slimar to gannondorf.
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tanuki-kage In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-19 06:23:51 +0000 UTC]
Destroy many lives... yes in the marioverse... where the clouds have eyes, the people are mushrooms and turtles
There is no real darkness in the marioverse, and very, very veryv very few deaths. We know Ganondorf has killed people by the way he is portrayed, by how the storyline is written and is put across in a serious and often dark compelling matter. There is a very good amount of difference between how Mario is presented and LoZ.
Again, I AGREE with your point of view if you look at Mario in the same way as Legend of Zelda, but Mario is nowhere near as deep as LoZ. Mario is an extremely superficial game, and I really don't think Miyamoto had the idea of Bowser being akin to Ganondorf when he made the Marioverse. He had a plumber that rescued a princess from a tortoise-dragon.
I'm rather disappointed, I thought we were having an intelligent argument and yet you result to petty insults. :/
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345rv5 In reply to tanuki-kage [2009-03-19 06:56:38 +0000 UTC]
well your are being to annoy me.may i remind you bowser came before ganondorf or gannon.in case you haven't noticed bowser may be in a less seirous seires than zelda.but he has still shown to be extermely evil.and since thousand year old door.the mario storylines are starting to mature.you are only looking at the mario games of the smb3 era.there is alot of growing character depth occuring in more recent mario games.clouds rarely have shown to have eyes in more recent games.only in spin-offs
and fish people,rock people and plant peolpe in zelda don't make alot of sense either.also note before twilght princess.the zelda seires although more mature than the mario seires was always a E rated seires.so agian don't think it's a seirouly realsitc game.your only fooling yourself.
no real darkness.what about the shadow queen does she count.or the gang and theif
ridden town of rougeport.sure it may not be like a GTA -like crimeworld.but lasttime i checked in the zeldaworld if you remove gannondorf and give gerudos money and land.it will basically no different than the mushroom kingdom.
as for bowser not equalto gannondorf.let's see they are both power hungry villans who kidnapped princesses,led viloent attacks on kingdoms and attempted to rule the world and get defeated humliating by unlikey heros.bowser=gannondorf.so just admit your wrong and we can move on
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tanuki-kage In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-19 07:17:31 +0000 UTC]
I'm using the more recent Mario games because they're the ones that show an actual plot and character personality aside from the usual kidnapping and rescue mission. It makes sense. Meanwhile in the older games you could interpret what you wanted to.
The difference in Zelda is how they're portrayed. Also the idea of fish people, rock people, and tree people come from mythology. The idea of tree nymphs/spirts and water nymphs/spirits have been around since the dawn of time. I'm guessing Miyamoto threw in the gorons just for the sake of having rock people to add another part of the game.
No, Zelda is not a very realistic game, which just further proves my point on how the way you are viewing Mario to be incredibly ridiculous. Zelda, with a few exceptions, is also pretty shallow and yet it still portrays some dark messages that Mario completely fails to grasp at all.
No, the Shadow Queen doesn't count, because she was a villain just like any other. Just because she has Shadow in her name doesn't make her a particularly evil feeling character. Rogueport gets you pretty close but again, even if you did see thieves the "darkest" thing was the noose which was said to have been out of use for a long time. You never really see anything aside from a shallow portrayal of what a ghetto is.
I do agree that they basically did the same thing, but the big major difference is HOW. Ganondorf got close by actually being scary, Link was definitely on a perilous adventure where we felt he was risking his life hundreds of times over. Mario sees it more as a casual every day thing with Bowser. Yes, they did similar things, but it was that ultimate HOW that makes the ultimate difference. Ganondorf did it with the ultimate power of a goddess, Bowser did it with... a magic wand?
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345rv5 In reply to tanuki-kage [2009-03-19 15:25:12 +0000 UTC]
a magic wand that makes him eqaulivent to that ultimate power of a goddess,or the grand stars that gives one the power to create galaxies.you once again underestimate bowser and only revealed a deeper level of igornace.
again you igrone proven facts and spin the ones you don't want to admit to your advangte.litte do you know you only prove my points right,not only that but you also give me more reasons to prove you wrong.
as for theshadow queen.she does count you idiot.she's a major mario villan and the only villan thus far that is more evil and powerful than both gannondorf and bowser.she succesfully destroyed an entire ancient civilization and began a conquest on the entire world with the aid of numerous monsters and the Crystal Stars. In the end her plans were ruined and she was sealed away by four heroes within the Thousand-Year Door.gannondorf and bowser made attempts but were stoped before they can have there way.
as for rougeport.there are people living in substandard housing.there are actutal mobsters there.in fact around the time mario was talking to toadsworth.gangs were fighting each other,there is a casino in the city,and a mob leader who is named "the leader of untimely death"i don't see that much darker depictions of theives and gangs in a zelda game.maybe i'm not the one looking at things the wrong angle here.
as for the people of the mushroom kingdom.many inhabiants of major races were based on mythology as well.the koopas based on kappas,japanesse trule humaniods from legend.goombas based on chesnut people of japaness legend.and so many enemies,power ups and even villans wee based on japaness legend.some were even influnced by pop culture and amine.to say mariogames has no insipartion only proves how you lack basic anaysis skills.
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SuperMarioFan In reply to 345rv5 [2009-03-18 18:41:53 +0000 UTC]
I am not in denial, or trying to downplay anything. I just feel there are probably legitimate reasons for Bowsers evilness, as well as his actions.
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345rv5 In reply to SuperMarioFan [2009-03-18 19:31:31 +0000 UTC]
well that's your beilef.but you clearly don't have enough to justify bowser's reason for the things he does. here's an actual quote from the scaly beast.
“Count Bleck, Floro Sapiens, whatever... Stomping fools is my business! Show me a fool, and I'll stomp it! I don't even need a reason!”
—Bowser, Super Paper Mario
it'snothing tokenout of context.he's cleary staing he's openly vlioent,hostile and evil.nothing justifes what bowser does.
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345rv5 In reply to ??? [2009-02-13 22:24:25 +0000 UTC]
VIVIAN x MARIO:0%whether she was a man or woman,it doesn't really matter mario loves peach.marioxpeach 4 life.
LUIGI x PEASLEY:0% luigi isn't gay.proof is that he has a crush on peach,rosalina and going out wtih daisy .in fact this proves luigi is ally stiht.peasely hoevr is a faggot.
PEACH x BOWSER:you have a better chance of pigs flying,ryan seacrest turning straight,meteor strike,volcanoes erupting all over the earth an once and a nuclear war all before this happens.this is no doubt the worst pairing in history.a marriage between a ugly ,power hungry,pure evil king and a beatuiful, pure hearted princess.we all know bowser kidnaps her for her power and beauty and cares less about her true feelings while peach hates his guts and loves only mario.those wo honestly support this couple are total morons.even a 5 year old knows the wold will end if that happened and only reminds us how igroant most peole can truly be.peach had to be brainwashed by a powerful hyponsis just to say i do. and for those whothink peach loves geting kidnapped.Yeah, because EVERY girl wants to be kidnapped, have her kingdom attacked, and forced to watch her boyfriend get nearly killed.WHAT KIND OF BUSH SUPPORTING,LEAD CHIP EATING,IDIOTIC,WITLESS MORONS ARE YOU?i agee this is so stupid.
YOSHI x BIRDO:here's my answer and i warn you it's not very pleasant. mit
gross you out and change your view on yoshi forever
male yoshi's lay eggs.but not for brith.hoe egs contain digested
remains of food they have eaten.ever conisdered the reason why
in all yoshi games,yoshi lays eggs after eating enemies?they get
turned into shit or piss concealed in the egg and yoshis throw
them at predators for self defense.that's right.YOSHI THROWS
HIS SHIT AT PEOPLE. brido's vomit eggs out their mouths.
yeah not very pretty.but it's the truth.also brido was
originally a male.so is yoshi gay?or is he is naive or confused of brido's real gender like most of us?hey it's still much better than bowserxpeach.
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peace41 In reply to 345rv5 [2009-08-01 20:45:16 +0000 UTC]
I totally agree on what you said on the bowserxpeach couple! Man I hate that couple and it annoys me to see people writing stories on that in fanfiction! marioxpeach 4 everva!
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SuperMarioFan In reply to peace41 [2009-08-04 05:59:46 +0000 UTC]
If you really agree with such ignorance, then you take Bowser's personality too seriously, also. I'm used to people preferring MarioxPeach, but it's obvious that Bowser loves her.
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peace41 In reply to SuperMarioFan [2009-08-04 16:28:09 +0000 UTC]
Just saying that I prefer the marioxpeach couple. Sorry if I offended you in any way. We all have different opinions you know?
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SuperMarioFan In reply to peace41 [2009-08-04 23:33:50 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I know that. It's ok. I'm just trying to point out that Bowser really isn't as evil as he's trying to claim, especially when you look at the Paper Mario games. You're perfectly allowed to prefer MarioxPeach.
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345rv5 In reply to peace41 [2009-08-01 22:18:23 +0000 UTC]
right,i just wonder just how stupid these people really are to support a pairing like Bowser and peach?
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SuperMarioFan In reply to 345rv5 [2009-08-04 06:25:34 +0000 UTC]
Why do you insist on calling people who support BowserxPeach, and don't agree with your view on Bowser's personality, stupid? People are allowed to have different opinions than you, y'know.
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345rv5 In reply to SuperMarioFan [2009-08-04 19:43:21 +0000 UTC]
i said it once before and i will say it once again,you have no grounds with BowserxPeach,there is nothing in the games that support any mutual interests in each other,bowser may love peach but peach will never feel the same for him,they are far too different to be lovers.
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SuperMarioFan In reply to 345rv5 [2009-08-04 23:30:37 +0000 UTC]
I'm well aware that Bowser's love will probably remain unrequited, but to insult the people who like the couple, is just rude. I mean, for instance, I know that a lot of people support SonicxShadow, which I don't like at all, and consider crack, but I don't insult them for liking it, because I respect the fact that people are entitled opinions, as weird as some of them may seem to some others.
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TheBourgyman In reply to moolagain [2009-02-04 01:04:31 +0000 UTC]
I don't think I'll ever do another one.
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melissaduck In reply to ??? [2009-01-13 18:54:08 +0000 UTC]
Yay, you mentioned me! ^o^ And awesome art, as usual!
Dude, I used to laugh at the whole "Bowser/Peach" pairing, but now I just think it's disgusting. I mean, I'm perfectly okay with the fact that Bowser obviously has a crush on Peach, because that's canon, and why else do male villains usually kidnap princesses? But seriously: too many use the Bowser/Peach thing. It's an overdone joke. And then it's expanded beyond a joke, and it gets scary. Sorry, no dragon-turtle kings with a human-and-possibly-part-mushroom princess for me, thank you.
In France and Japan, Vivian is a boy. Everywhere else, Viv's a girl. I want to believe Vivian is a girl. She's too cute to be a boy, darn it! Besides, she really loves Mario, and if his reaction to her kissing him in PM:TTYD is any indication, he's not too crazy about it, and that makes me sad. ;_;
I used to think the Peasley/Luigi pairing was adorable, and I admit, I see some pretty awesome pictures of the two of them. But it's getting overdone (and this is coming from a girl who loves herself some slashiness!). Though I'm pretty sure Luigi's gay for Peasley in any case-- not gay, just gay for Peasley. Luigi was obviously trying to express his feelings towards him at the end of the game, but Peasley, the way he brushed him aside, seems to treat Luigi as if he were any other fan of his, and not very important. Plus he insulted Luigi a couple of times while managing to cover it up. Still... you know when Luigi was trying to un-shrink Peasley? In the original Japanese version, Peasley tells Luigi, "Please be gentle," right before Luigi uses Thunderhand on him FROM BEHIND. Come to think of it, a lot of pics and fics show Peasley being "the man" in the relationship. Who says Luigi can't be the man?! >B(
As for Birdo and Yoshi... um, I'm not too crazy about this pairing. Actually, I don't like it, period. There is no proof that they could be a couple, at least not through interactions. Birdo is, from what I see, a total flirt, and she likes all sorts of male attention. As for the whole gender issue, even Japan pokes fun at the fact no one know Birdo's true gender. She appears in a Japan-only game called "Captain Rainbow," and she's got a very deep voice. She even gets arrested in the game for using the ladies' room, and you have to prove she's a female by giving the police her "???." And Yoshi... according to the Japanese version of SSBM, Yoshies are all asexual. So you've got a transvestite dating someone without a gender. Crazy, crazy Japan.
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SuperMarioFan In reply to melissaduck [2009-01-31 18:44:03 +0000 UTC]
Lol, what do you mean beyond a joke? You mean in terms of the sexual stuff? Because I can certainly understand how one would find that disgusting. But if you're talking in terms of people who have written fics about her liking him back, I have to strongly disagree. It makes for good plot and character development/exploration. But I definitely assume you meant the former.
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melissaduck In reply to SuperMarioFan [2009-02-04 01:56:12 +0000 UTC]
I see you're a shipper of the two.
Yeah, there is a lot of sexual stuff people have made concerning the two, and the way they go about it isn't at all pleasant. It's like, "lol wat do u think they do when they're waiting for mario?" If it were more romantic, maybe... but most of them are too perverse.
I guess what bugs me is that I'm definitely a Mario/Peach shipper, so seeing Peach like the villain instead of the hero who risks life and limb to "save" her annoys me, especially when they portray Peach actually disliking Mario. (Oddly, though, I don't mind the idea of Peach/Luigi, either, but I'm more of a fan of Mario/Peach.)
Well, we all have our likes and dislikes; there's really nothing wrong with having differing opinions. You say Bowser, I say Mario-- neither of us are wrong, it's just what we like.
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SuperMarioFan In reply to melissaduck [2009-02-04 03:55:56 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I guess Mario/Peach is ok, but I don't really care for it. It's just too obvious, IMO. Like you said, though, different opinions.
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TheBourgyman In reply to melissaduck [2009-01-15 15:12:28 +0000 UTC]
Second enourmous comment!
I remember a friend of mine (who's from France) telling me Vivian was a boy there. I was surprised to find out his version of PM:TTYD has the whole 'boy thing' translated as well.
But you know, there's different ways of interpretating that side of Vivian... Apparently, Beldam calling her a boy could simply be her way to insult her. I'd like to believe that this is really an insult given by her to Vivian, but no confirmation has ever been given about that. Even Goombella has her defined as a boy in her Tattle journal (though it may be because she misinterpreted the insult when she heard it).
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melissaduck In reply to TheBourgyman [2009-01-15 20:58:24 +0000 UTC]
Sorry I keep giving you such huge comments; I just have so many thoughts on the subject of Mario character relationships (what is wrong with me?).
Yeah, I heard about the Tattle that Goombella gave about Vivian. Maybe you're right about it all being just an insult. I wish Nintendo would clear that up, though.
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aceplese In reply to ??? [2009-01-11 20:14:37 +0000 UTC]
one no
two fail fail fail fail and finaly fail
three when link is a girl maby
four it could have the hapenesss
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tyyt In reply to ??? [2009-01-11 09:26:50 +0000 UTC]
It would been better if you used Luigi&Daisy
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aceplese In reply to ??? [2009-01-11 02:30:01 +0000 UTC]
birdo is female it was bad translation in mario bros two
oh and maby (the same as yoshies) some are male and some are female
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TheBourgyman In reply to aceplese [2009-01-11 17:11:46 +0000 UTC]
Honestly I don't know how "he is a boy who thinks he's a female" could be bad translation.
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aceplese In reply to TheBourgyman [2009-01-11 19:50:43 +0000 UTC]
well during that time things like that zero wing show were out at those times translations were very bad
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princessdaisy729 In reply to ??? [2009-01-08 04:24:37 +0000 UTC]
WTH???? BowserxPeach???? Are these fans a little crazy or something?
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SuperMarioFan In reply to princessdaisy729 [2009-01-31 18:49:06 +0000 UTC]
No, we're not crazy. We're just familiar with the fact that Bowser is in love with Peach, and the fact that it was somewhat hinted at in Super Paper Mario (not counting the forced wedding). But like you said, different point of views. XD
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TheBourgyman In reply to princessdaisy729 [2009-01-08 14:08:15 +0000 UTC]
A lot of people actually like this pairing because it "somewhat" makes sense. Ever seen the intro of Super Paper Mario?
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princessdaisy729 In reply to TheBourgyman [2009-01-09 04:28:15 +0000 UTC]
Ah I see. I guess some people have a different point of view in pairings
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Specter-Von-Baren In reply to ??? [2009-01-08 04:13:06 +0000 UTC]
I KNEW people would make up that Peasley/Luigi pairing when I saw Peasley giving him a complement and Luigi trying to hug him.... It's sad really that I knew people would blow such a thing out of proportion JUST to make a slash pairing.
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