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TheCuriousFool In reply to ??? [2018-11-15 17:05:52 +0000 UTC]

Don't worry. You will get your ship in this last season.
But tomstar will live on in fanart and fanfic. 

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Kasai01 In reply to TheCuriousFool [2018-11-15 17:15:52 +0000 UTC]

True. But i think Tom's better for Janna

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Kasai01 [2018-11-15 21:35:20 +0000 UTC]

Nah.
Different strokes for different folks.
I will always be a tomstar shipper, I'm sinking with this ship to the bottom of the ocean.  

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Doctorwholovesthe80s [2018-01-28 18:59:44 +0000 UTC]

I've got Ships that literally been MURDERED by the author themselves. But it never stopped me, so you don't need to worry XD I've come to accept the fact, that the majority of my ships will probably never be canon, but it doesn't really matter. I find Shipping to be fun because of the hidden potential of certain ships, what story can they create together? What obstacles do they have to overcome? How will they grow together and as individuals? Etc.

That's also a reason why I've never been to interested in..how do I say it...''non'' problematic ships?
Don't get me wrong! XD I'm not after the most tragic or how some people like to view it ''toxic'' ships. But if the ship in question have nothing more to offer than some cute moments and everything is sunshine and dandy...it becomes boring.
The characters in question end up in a state of ''limbo''. There is nowhere for them to go, nowhere for them to grow.

For example, Fluttermac (Fluttershy/Big mac from Mlp) is a very popular ship within the community. It's a cute Ship where the kind, quite and gentle girl ends up with an equally kind and quite guy, sound absolutely ideal right? It's as far away as non-toxic it can get. They would never argue, they would never disagree with each other. If Fluttershy would ever be in trouble, her Big mac will come to the rescue and everything is so nice and peaceful.
Everything I've just described to you about this ship sound absolutely dreadful. Surprised? Your not the only one, I've surprised many with my distaste for Fluttermac, for there is nothing to dislike about it, it's perfect, but personally it just bores me to tears.
Fluttershy would never change or grow as a character, in Big mac presence and the same vice versa. 
But by putting them up instead with characters different from themselves in personality traits, it creates drama. The character now has to be exposed to new ideas, to a new worldview/ideal or even a different moral. By exposing themselves to new situations, maybe even uncomfortable ones, they grow as an individual and evolve as a character.

But just to be clear, I'm not advocating for characters that constantly bicker and fight with each other to be an ''interesting'' ship, paring up characters with personalities similar to oil and water, is kinda pointless too. There should at least be a middle ground, characters can argue, but there got to be a point to it, them hating each other is not enough, now we can start talking about the 'toxic'' label people like to throw around so much, especially at me for being a Fluttercord shipper. 

But that's also why Tomstar interest me so much, there is still obstacles to overcome, they are still growing as individuals and they try their best to become better at whatever goal they are setting themselves out to do and inspire and are there for each other. The potential for these two are endless, it's wonderful!!!
But my guess is the show will not see the same potential and disappoint me at the end, but hey, there will always be, AU.  

I sincerely apologize for this long respond, you probably din't asked for but my hands just ended up typing away. I hope at least you were entertained by some parts of it. 

Bless Fanfics and Fanart, they make life worth living. 

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Doctorwholovesthe80s In reply to TheCuriousFool [2018-01-28 19:54:57 +0000 UTC]

No worries. I get your gist.

This reminds me of why I'll never support Sherlock/Molly ship. It's basically because Molly's TOO nice so Sherlock would end up walking all over her. Unintentional for the most part, but she still would be a doormat. I've read fanfics that try to have Molly be tough enough to be his romantic other, but they came off as too weird and unbelievable.

And I agree with you that the best relationships should not be characters that are too opposite, but should also not be so similar that they apparently never have disagreements of any kind. My parents have been married, solid and happy, for over 30 years and while they've never had severe arguments, they still had moments of "strong" discussions, if that makes sense.

In conclusion: Fluttercord forever and your/my fanfics are the right canon! 

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TheCuriousFool In reply to MinaliAjaebixTsuki [2017-12-10 17:02:40 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for the late reply.

But Thank you!   More Tomstar art is on it's way, so no worry...to much tomstar art actually, help...

Canon is rarely kind to me. About 98% of all my ships never got or will get the canon stamp. But I kinda don't really care at this point. As long as a ship inspires me, I will ship it and draw fanart of it. No matter how unpopular or hated that certain ship is, If I like it, then there is nothing stopping me from enjoying it.
Agreed, I really don't see the point in the way Starco fans reacted and how they kinda attack people who don't ship their ship, insulting the characters (((tom))) of the show and the people who supports it. Like, No need to be rude, my dude. You ship your stuff and I will ship mine. Live and let Live. 

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MinaliAjaebixTsuki In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-12-13 22:33:56 +0000 UTC]

mistress: It's quite alright. You're welcome. lol Oh my..oh glob. You need any help?? lol. 
And ah..i don't blame you at all..canon isn't nice to me either T_T". Damn..that sucks. Ah okay. That's true. YEP! Just like my un-sailed ship fubblegum -cries a puddle- I GET NO NEW ART OF THEM YET!! ; A ;!! It's just overrun down by bubbline all that time..everything is on the AT fandom. -sigh- But i'm glad it gets noticed ;w;. I still will make art of those two of course. Yep that's very true. Yep that's true..now i'm very sad that the creators are using tomstar to make a shipping that is becoming toxic happen..like starco. Marco threw out seasons has been noticed to be a major dick especially in season 3. All for someone whom he loves who has already moved on. And is trying to do better for herself. So is tom. He's busting his ass to sacrifice shit that he didn't imagine to do it. He did it for Star and for himself. It's really crazy how this show is turning out to be. Hurting my feelings!! Also sorry for the late response

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TheCuriousFool In reply to DragonriderSC [2017-11-20 13:38:52 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!   
Ah, Yes! The Tomstar fandom was almost non existent before season 3, then it gain a small amount of popularity. But it's still a far cry from the Starco fandom.
Really happy to hear that!   Always fun discovering a fellow shipper with similar taste!
I just Hope, we get at least one episode with them with just fluff, no angst or drama, just glorious fluff. It's the potential of these two that gives me hope and I want to see them grow and overcome obstacles together. So I really hope the show won't pull them apart too soon. 

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DragonriderSC In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-21 04:37:09 +0000 UTC]

Before season 3 you'd have to deal with a lot of ship hating, Tom isn't a popular character and people jump quickly to bashing him as Star's ex which i always thought was unfair. We dont know what their relationship was like before and we never will, so i never saw the point in jumping the gun and shouting all the accusations at Tom just because he has serious anger issues. We've see recently how tender he is with Star and i dont see any reason for him to have acted any differently before.

it really is nice finding a fellow shipper ~ especially one who makes good content like this <3 i can really think of many Tomstar artists so i hope to see more from ya ! ;3; 

i reeeeeeeeally hope they dont break them up in the same season they hooked up. Jarco had at least a season or so as a couple, granted we didn't see them together much but at least they had time to be together. I understand that Tomstar is very much a plot device, but i still love it and see it for the great potential. Both characters and grow a lot with the other and have such interesting character dynamics and i just want to see a full episode of that. 

Starco never did anything for me because it was predictable and because it just wasn't all that interesting or appealing, two best friends from different worlds fall in love, nothing new there. But Tomstar was something i never saw before and i just want to keep seeing it. 
I have the biggest grin on my face whenever we see even small clips of them just hanging out as friends and as a couple, it feels so good to see them being that after so long 

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TheCuriousFool In reply to DragonriderSC [2017-11-22 14:54:51 +0000 UTC]

Ah, this happens far too often in shows and not only in ''SvtFoE''.
For example, characters get unfair treatments by the fans just because they stand in the way for a certain ship to become canon. In basically every fandom I've been part of, there is always a character or several characters who gets dragged through the mud and gets treated like trash by fans just because of that reason.
It tremendously annoys me when people attack Tom, because he stands in the way for ''Starco'' and unfairly treats him like a bad character, claims he's abusive or some other far fetch reason just to paint him the bad guy. 
Tom would never hurt Star, he is basically worshiping the grounds she walks on, he's just a bit too possessive and have anger management issues, which he is working on to improve, not only for Star and their relationships sake, but for himself, to become a better prince, which is really inspiring to see a character willing to go so far, to work on to improve themselves, to become a better character. 

He still got a lot to learn and I just pray we get to see Stars and Toms journey together throughout the series. There's just such an incredibly amount of potential for their relationship and I really want to see it grow.
But I don't think the show will be that kind to us Tomstar shippers.

Like I mention before, I just hope we get at least one Tomstar episode of fluff, with just the two of them and a close up romantic kiss, this is all I ask before the inevitably happen, just let me be happy for a little bit more. 
Really Happy you feel that way about my content!  don't worry, more is on it's way!

It was expected, but still bummed me out, to see ''Jarco'' end. I really liked Jackie and Marcos relationship and how well they played of each other. Jackie being the chill, relaxed girlfriend and Marco being the nervous and organized boyfriend. I really liked their dynamic, but alas, all good tings much come to an end.
It really pains me to know that Jackie and Tom are just there as plot devices for ''Starco'' to happen. :/ 

Starco is cute. But as a personal preference, I just find this ship incredibly boring. We have seen this kinda of ship dynamic happen before in shows and I've never been a fan of the obvious end game from episode one, like c'mon, surprise me. Just as you said, Starco is nothing new, we've seen this before. Though I have no problem of re-using tropes, if they are done well. But I simply can't see them as lover, it's like a mental block in my mind XD I really just see them as best friends. I can't really see the potential of them as a couple, which they already don't have as friends. There is nothing there for them to really explore.
Tomstar on the other hand has so much territory left to uncover, to explore and to grow.
But hey, this is just my opinion. 

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DragonriderSC In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-23 14:34:04 +0000 UTC]

Jackie also had that same treatment, but she got a pass for the most part because there was nothing about her that was #problematic . Jackie was a sweet and chill gal, Marco was lucky to have her as a girlfriend, not matter what the shippers say they cant deny that she was a fine girl.
Tom on the other hand is much easier to bash on because his flaws are more pronounce and outward. He's got anger issues and doesn't know how to deal with them, that MUST mean he was an abusive boyfriend. GASP, Star broke up with him? OMG, that must mean he was awful to her. And from there it became so easy for people to see everything Tom did as horrible. 
Granted, im not saying he's a saint. Him constantly chasing Star despite her strong NO was not good on his part and yes, his anger problems ARE a problem. But i saw a character who was still capable of CHANGING, for Star at least. Its clear that Star means a lot to him and her breaking up with him was a wake up call for him, the start of his healing process because he saw that his personality was pushing away the people he cared for. He didn't start off good, but the fact that he was trying meant something. And thats why i think its worth shipping them. They have chemistry, they have history and they can be good for each other. 
ahhhh, its hard to explain, i dont think i made a very good stance but there ya go XD 
I think you put it much better. 

I dont think the show will be that kind to Tom in general. The dude doesn't get much chance to show up and just hang out. He only gets so much screen time now BECAUSE he's now a plot device. Him being Stars boyfriend is a PLOT POINT and thats sad for his character because he's more then that. Dont get me wrong, i love seeing him and Star together and watching Tom grow further, but i know this is going to be short lived because well all know whats end game here. I just hope that the crew will treat Tom with the same respect and dignity that they gave Jackie. 

i hope we can get that Tomstar episode too, just one moment where they can both just enjoy being together and being who they are. Pleaaaaaaase Disney XD, let us have this. 

First Fluttercord, now Tomstar? Plus beautiful art? How could i not love your content ;D 

What i loved about Jarco was that JACKIE was the one who made the first official move. It was JACKIE who asked him out. On that first date she laid out clearly how and why she started falling for Marco and it completely reversed common tropes. That the cool kid cant hook up with the nerd. I just appreciated that so much because it shows that Jackie developed her own character too. But yes, its disappointing that in the end it didn't mean much. 
Which is also why i dont see the point of people getting upset over this ship war? Like, guys, relax. Starco is totally end game, you'll get your ship, so let us Tomstar and Jarco shippers enjoy this while we can. 

Starco is a fine ship. Its cute and its clear that the two share a close bond, the best of friends. I didn't like how the blood moon chained their souls together, that was my first red flag, but i chose to view that more as them being chained as life long friends regardless of whether they become romantic or not. In any case, its a well built relationship but poorly executed, especially how firmly they've been shutting down the idea of Starco all through out the show. 

heh, an opinion i can agree with ~ 

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Fall-Cat [2017-11-18 19:01:49 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I definitely will!    

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TheCuriousFool In reply to diebitch2947 [2017-11-17 13:24:44 +0000 UTC]

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Fall-Cat [2017-11-17 13:23:33 +0000 UTC]

Awww, Thanks!  

I'd really love to see more interaction between Marco and Kelly, too!
Yeah me too, Tomstar is life, Tomstar is love!  

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Fall-Cat In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-18 01:39:08 +0000 UTC]

yep
It is very cliche that the protagonists are together
I like starco, but is very cliche 

Tomstar FOREVER >:') ♥     

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Fall-Cat [2017-11-18 19:31:30 +0000 UTC]

 Preach it Sister!

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TheCuriousFool In reply to AiwiloNik [2017-11-16 20:21:11 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I feel you.
I've actually had my suspicion and theories that Star and Marco may be related in some way, which would later be revealed as the series progressed, but I'm still keeping this theory on very cold ice. I do really adore Stars and Marcos relationship, but lovers? ehhh, not really my cup of tea.
It's really interesting seeing how Star and Marco has switched roles, but I don't find Marco to be annoying, I still like him very much as a character, too bad about Jackie though, she deserve all the love. 
I really like Tom too and seeing him grow and try his best, not only for Stars sake but also for himself is really inspiring and Sweet. I'm a sucker for ships that makes the characters support each other and wanting to be the very best they can be. Their relationship is far from perfect, but it is that road of growth and progress, that I want to continue to see. 
    

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AiwiloNik In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-16 21:30:42 +0000 UTC]

I really liked Jackie and Marco as a couple. It was especially nice to look at because he had a crush on her since kindergaten and seeing them together was like "Congratulations, man! You've finally did it!". And it felt like they were complementing each other. Always chilled out girl and overly nervous guy - what not to love. 
He may be annoying to me probably because I've been through some similar problems as Star was dealing with when Marco just decided he's going back to Mewni - you know, pops out of nowhere, demands something you cannot give them, acts like everything is fine and cool while their causing you nothing but trouble by their presence. And doesn't listen to you when you tell them something (which causes even more trouble to both of you). I can relate so that may be why.
Yeah, me too. I love them as besties, seeing them goofing around together is great and the bond you see between them is almost like a family. btw how did you come up with the idea of them being related? I've never met with such a theory, sound quite interesting to me.
I wish Star and Tom would stayed together but the spectre of Blood Moon Ball is still upon us so I do not have any hope. I just wish that when the Starco eventually happens Tom won't be left totally heartbroken.

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TheCuriousFool In reply to AiwiloNik [2017-11-18 19:00:43 +0000 UTC]

Agreed! Really Bummed me out to see Jarco end.
Just as you said, they complemented each other so well.
But I kinda have a feeling Jarco is not completely dead as the fandom claims it to be.
Jackie broke up with Marco because he still had, unfinished business left in Mewni. Remember what Jackie told Marco before they went out on their last date '' It kinda feel's like you went to Mewni and never really came back''. The Cape was proof of Marcos unwillingness to let go off Mewni , so Jackie set him free to complete whatever business he had left there.

I kinda have this headcanon, that once everything has settle down in Mewnie, like after some grand battle. Marco will return back to his world with closure. He will then meet Jackie, once he's back and she will give him a quick look followed by a gentle smile and say ''Welcome back Marco'' before giving him a hug. But alas, this is all in my gross head. 

I know the show is pushing for Starco but I Reallllyyyy want it to stay platonic. Not only because I'm a faithful follower of our lord and savior Tomstar. But I'm so tired of the trope, of two main protagonists, of a kids show, ALWAYS ending up together. I got it from episode 1 that, ''oh , they are gonna end up together, wow, boring'' (like these were my literal thoughts back then). ( not attacking Starco shippers you are all lovely people, but I'm just being honest here.)
Starco just do nothing for me as a shipper. 

I've had my suspicion that they may be distant related for a while, but like you said, I've never come across anyone who've had similar theories and in case my suspicions are wrong, I will withhold any statements at the moment, because I don't want to look like a total idiot if I'm proven wrong in later episodes XD
The only hint I will give you is Marcos beauty mark under his eye and in SvtFoE S3 Ep ''Deep Dive'', we see Marco use Stars wand and crescent moon starts to glow on his cheeks. People say this is related to the ''Blood Moon'' event. But I think its deeper than that.
Though this is all far fetch speculation on my part. 

Ugh, My baby boy Tom, I don't want to see him hurt. I will forever live in this imaginary world I've created where Tomstar is canon and nothing can hurt my shipper heart.

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AiwiloNik In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-20 21:02:40 +0000 UTC]

I understood it more like that he got so charmed and fascinated with this land that he never really wanted to come back to Earth. That he found the place he felt he somehow belonged to or at least wanted to belong to. 


Ikr? You find it literally everywhere. Even irl -,- and by that I mean people somehow cannot accept that if two people with different sexes are friends that doesn't necessarily mean they are somehow meant for each other and are going to be together (I was a part of such a situation once, ugh). Anyway, iw would much more interesting and original if not only they just stayed in a platonic relationship but also accepted the fact they had a crush on each other, realized that they probably were not a good match and just moved on, reamining being friends. THAT would be cool. Plus it could be a nice lesson for growing kids who also watch this show that just sometimes when it comes to realtionships things just do not work out the way we would want them to and this is normal.

I've seen some theories that Marco is some magical polar opposite of Star that is going to become her rival or something like that but there was also some theory that he is somehow related to the monsters so I might have mixed these two up a little bit x"D These were based on the paintings from St. Olga's SFWP's ceiling paitings. Personally, I have no idea. There is a buch of possibilities. Marco could even turned out being the Princess of Earth and that wouldn't be much of a shocker for me x"D I think blaming only the Blood Moon event would be too simple. I agree it may be related to the fact why Marco could just use the wand with such an ease while Ludo had to train fricking Levitato for Glob knows how long to master this one spell. 

You know what's annoying me the most after the last episode? That they're probably going to turn Tom into some kind of selfish douchebag just so Star would have a reason to break up with him. I can fricking feel it. While Marco was all concerned about the missing monsters and Mewmans, Tom's greatest goal was just to have some kissy time with Star. I do not think it is something terrible but in comparison to Marco's actions it actually looked bad :/ He apoligised at the end but still I'm afraid this is only gonna get worse from here :/

Don't even tell me, I felt so SAD after the Blood Moon Ball episode. He was trying so hard, he didn't mean any harm. He even toned down the whole party so Star could feel more comfortable there and people's opinion were like "this spider he wanted to gave her was definetely a parasyte", "Tom wanted to bathe Star in unicorns blood, what's wrong with him?" and I was there, watching the episode and thinking "Dear glob, this is so sad how desperate he is to get her back!"

My friend reccomended to me to not watch anymore episodes so I can live in the world with everlasting Tomstar xD

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Zorbonaut [2017-11-16 18:06:46 +0000 UTC]

Nah, nah, Starco will be endgame. I will not be fooled. I'm just gonna enjoy all my Tomstar now before getting my heart broken later on.
But, if SvtFoE actually end's with Starco not happening, I will stand up, clapping my hands very slow whilst saying, ''Good game, you got me''

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Zorbonaut In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-16 19:47:07 +0000 UTC]

Perhaps it's because I'm actually MORE used to the main boy and girl NOT ending up with each other, because the writers don't want to bring romance into the main plot. Star and Marco were even given their own bland (initially!) love interests to discourage starco shipping (or so I thought), so when they first expressed interest in each other, I way kinda floored.

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Zorbonaut [2017-11-16 20:01:19 +0000 UTC]

WAIT?
What? Wait? Whaaaaaattt????
Okay, either you or I am from another timeline, because that's FAR! away from my reality XD 
Practically, all the kids shown I've grown up with, ALWAYS, have the main girl and boy end up as a couple at the end of a series. You can even find this rules written down as one of the 10 commandments by God, that's how ancient this trope is.  

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Zorbonaut In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-16 20:53:55 +0000 UTC]

I'm thinking Harry and Hermine, Luke and Leia and stuff like that. I get where you're coming from though -- but those instances you're probably thinking of usually show off their OTP so obviously from the start that I don't ship them to begin with.
There are counterexamples though, like Kim Possible and Ron, whom I never would have given a chance either???

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Zorbonaut [2017-11-16 21:28:52 +0000 UTC]

Ah, I see were you coming from.
I was more focused on kids cartoons when I mention this trope, of course there are exceptions, but they kinda pale in comparison to the former. 
But I get it. 
But I've always thought Hermione and Ron were obvious from the start? At least from how the movie portrayed them. Ya'know the typical ''they are always arguing with each other which mean they secretly like each other kinda trope''. You often see this trope being prevalent in anime for example, at least in the older ones. This is really my own perception though. But I guess it does not hold truth for everyone.

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TheCuriousFool In reply to SilverWolf866 [2017-11-16 17:45:41 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I absolutely adore all the fan content by the Starco fans. I've seen so much adorable and beautiful artworks. That's the joy of fandom.
But just like you've mention it's not something I actively look around for, but more accidentally come across when browsing the internet. But still, it's not a ship for me, never felt it.
Ugh, girl tell me about it. Shipping may be my very drug. But I've never liked it when already from episode 1 the show is pushing for the main characters to be endgame, it leaves no room for suspense and you know all the side love interests or love triangles that occur, is just there to create drama. The only times I've been fully ''game'' on the main ship, is if the story itself is a romance story surrounding the two, but even then I can be like, meh :/
So it's the same for me, only for a couple of instances, I've been on board with the main ship, but it's rare.    

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Lican306 [2017-11-16 17:17:12 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha! Thank you so much!   

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TheCuriousFool In reply to LadyDaliena [2017-11-15 18:37:47 +0000 UTC]

Same.
But yeah, I'm just appreciating all the Tomstar moment's now before it's gone.
Adore Eclipsa, She's an incredibly charming character and I love the air of mystery that surrounds her. But mostly just her personality and her way of talking is absolutely endearing. I'm really looking forward to learn more about her character and motives and possible what roll she will serve in the series. So far she seem like the eccentric grandma kinda type, giving advise and guidance to star when she needs it. 
At the moment I don't think she's evil, evil. But does morally ambiguous deeds in order for the greater good, at least that's what I'm hoping for. But it's to early to tell.  

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LadyDaliena In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-17 15:34:28 +0000 UTC]

I think she's pretty self-centered (not in a necessarely bad away, but as she said, she started doing dark magic because ''I had to do what I needed to do, for me''), but in a carefree way, that she will choose her happiness first, even if it interfers with her responsabilities. 

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TheCuriousFool In reply to LadyDaliena [2017-11-17 16:03:41 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm, Interesting!
Wouldn't surprise me if this was the case with Eclipsa. Sound like the most realistic choice for her character.
But there is still quit a lot of mystery surrounding her, so any possibly theory that floats around at the moment, is possible.

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Krazylec [2017-11-15 13:31:23 +0000 UTC]

Sick Burn, bro.

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Krazylec In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-16 11:21:27 +0000 UTC]

It wasn't even a burn though =O

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Krazylec [2017-11-16 17:16:09 +0000 UTC]

Sweet child, it's called sarcasm, dear.

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Krazylec In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-17 09:13:45 +0000 UTC]

You silly bean, you're the sweet child.

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darkzim00 In reply to Krazylec [2017-11-15 05:06:48 +0000 UTC]

the starco will never happen perras

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TheCuriousFool In reply to Ne-chi [2017-11-15 00:25:52 +0000 UTC]

 
Honestly, I have no strong opinion on it.
Except girl Marco is a beauty. 

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Ne-chi In reply to TheCuriousFool [2017-11-15 10:35:29 +0000 UTC]

Hahah<3 True that! 
I'm probably a more Starco but I LOOOOOVE your artwork, Tom is differently my absolute favorite character

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