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"But of those unhappy ones who were ensnared by Melkor little is known of a certainty. For who of the living has descended into the pits of Utumno, or has explored the darkness of the counsels of Melkor? Yet this is held true by the wise of Eressea, that all those of the Quendi who came into the hands of Melkor, ere Utumno was broken, were put there in prison, and by slow arts of cruelty were corrupted and enslaved; and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Iluvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance of life, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindale before the Beginning: so say the wise. And deep in their dark hearts the Orcs loathed the Master whom they served in fear, the maker only of their misery. This it may be was the vilest deed of Melkor, and the most hateful to Iluvatar."--'The Silmarillion'
The above passage was not Tolkien's only proposed explanation for the origin of the orcs (and he never did really settle on one) but, appearing as it does in the published 'Silmarillion' (and being paraphrased in Jackson's films) it has largely become canon in the minds of fans.
How exactly do you get an orc out of an elf? what are the stages of such a transition? can it be done in one generation? It would help that elves do not naturally die, and an individual might be made to suffer until they do physically change. The poor soul pictured here is in what I expect would be the early/mid-phase; with the long years of torment beginning to do their work. I imagine the openness of their faces closing, as hope and empathy leave them, their eyes turn darting and angry, and they become cruel; toward each other and anything else they can hurt. It's a process that, I think, Maedhros and Gwindor get some taste of and - somewhat like the ring bearers of later ages - they can never fully come back from it.
the Elves, though not incapable of evil acts on their own, are presented as seeming to inherently understand the moral 'up and down' of the world better than we do. This huge genetic/spiritual schism that happened to them has no direct parallel for us; no 'orcs' are made from men. In mankind the influence of Evil is more insidious, and more shared. Anger, jealousy, cruelty, these are things all humans have a share in, they are the 'orcish side' of us - the Original Sin put into us by the Devil in our earliest days - which vies with the better angels of our nature and has often won out. It's hard to say which strategy for corrupting the Children of Illuvatar on Melkor's part was the more effective. As a likely fabricated (I discover, most disappointingly) quote by Tolkien goes "We were all orcs during the Great War."
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Reaper1998 [2023-12-09 03:24:12 +0000 UTC]
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grazatt [2022-09-05 08:44:36 +0000 UTC]
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TurnerMohan In reply to grazatt [2022-09-05 12:11:06 +0000 UTC]
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grazatt In reply to TurnerMohan [2022-09-07 05:35:17 +0000 UTC]
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Cassivillianous [2019-09-23 03:06:03 +0000 UTC]
A wonderful piece of work. It also seems to me that the first orc, regardless of appearance, was the one that, after being broken down to the very core of their soul, just snapped and lashed out in pure fury and spite at the world. They could have just looked like a rough around the edges elf or a squat ape-like being like those of the later ages, but that first strike, to shove someone out of the way to whatever food they were given or getting back their bedding that had been taken by a cellmate.
I can see it now. Maybe he'd gotten up to relieve himself and when he returned found his cellmate was sleeping in what meagre bits of bedding they had. He tiredly asks his companion to move, that was his, the little bit of comfort he'd managed to gather in this never-ending pit of torment. His companion either ignores him or tells him to shove off or maybe he's too worn down to move. Then something...snaps...and the first one snarled and grabbing a rock, leaps at his companion and starts bashing his head in with a rock, shrieking like a lost soul, his eyes blazing with an unclean fury that glows in the darkness of their cage. Long after the other was dead the first leans back and looks for a long while at his works. He doesn't say a word or wail in regret. He gets off the corpse, pushes it off his bedding far enough that the blood doesn't ooze onto the rags and scraps of hyde and lays down, the gore covered rock still in his hand.
Later he's brought into another cavern than is normal for his tortures and spots a woman of his kind...yet not...she had clearly been physically broken like himself...but those eyes, the eyes of a trapped animal that had done something awful to lash out at the world. He feels a certain kindred with her....and something else. A yearning he hasn't felt in a long time and with an intensity he's never felt before. The woman seems to see that hunger in him and while she hisses and spits at him...there's a certain thrill in there at the same time.
Now before...everything he might have wooed this maiden with song and gifts a long and beautiful courtship that they would remember all their lives...but he doesn't want that even if he could. His voice is long wretched, a gruff snarl that would make his past self weep, and he has no desire for beauty anymore or soft words. He knows that shedding blood will get what he wants...and somehow she knows this as well.
It will be rough, it will be ugly...but it will get the job done and both will get what they want out of the encounter, even if they have scratches and bruises all over them afterwards...he never drops the rock, nor her her bone shiv, they wouldn't have it any other way.
...Well that got away from me...
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TolkienLover28 In reply to Cassivillianous [2021-12-19 02:49:13 +0000 UTC]
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CaptainofVingilot [2019-08-11 22:23:59 +0000 UTC]
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SciFiLover2 [2019-04-05 01:17:22 +0000 UTC]
Good to see you do some more elf-to-orc transition art.
I feel with the sallow face and nose, this creature looks a lot more mannish than elfish or orcish, though the oval face-shape I feel fits the elves, and it looks to me like despite the abused and cruel facial features and skin, there's still an echo elvish compassion in the creature's angry grey eyes. I'm not sure I like the white light on the creature among the darkness - to me, it looks hopeful rather than despairing, and I feel it dampens the mood of this creature's situation severely.
I'm surprised by your thought the elves could become orcs in one generation - I prefer the theory it would take generations of interbreeding with monsters, 'cos I feel that would be more horrific to see that, even if Tolkien's writing probably wouldn't give the uncensored view of it that GRRM probably would.
Has some points I think you could work on, but otherwise not a bad piece.
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SomeKindaSpy [2019-02-06 21:59:59 +0000 UTC]
Interesting how Tolkien in later years lamented not writing in hero Orcs and how he lamented that he wrote that Orcs came from Elves.
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SciFiLover2 In reply to SomeKindaSpy [2019-04-05 01:18:04 +0000 UTC]
Huh. I didn't know Tolkien regretted not writing hero orcs. It certainly could've been interesting.
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Toraach [2018-11-12 07:40:27 +0000 UTC]
Explanation of orcs made from elves is the best in my opinnion. More evil and twisted than creating orcs from beasts, men or whatever. I'm also interested if this process is reversable, so if later generation of orcs could become elves. Do orcs have fea? If they have, what will happen to their fea after dying?Β
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grazatt [2018-07-08 13:56:08 +0000 UTC]
So were all the orcs former elves? Did they orcs never breed and reproduce?
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noahcat [2018-06-10 09:04:38 +0000 UTC]
I personally prefer leaving the origin of orcs somewhat unsolved, without clear cut answer, like it is in my opinion in later stages of the development of the legendarium. Also I like the little details about the way DrΓΊedain do not speak about their prehistory to other people and how they and orcs both regard each other as traitors.
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ElrondPeredhel [2018-05-30 23:42:56 +0000 UTC]
It occurs to me that the black or red eyes of the Orcs - like burning coal - may be the equivalent of the starlit eyes of the Elves.
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Khialat [2018-05-26 21:44:00 +0000 UTC]
It's a dark and sad story indeed, how Middle-Earth's orcs were created.
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Qitian [2018-05-18 17:59:03 +0000 UTC]
Chilling and compelling. At this stage, your orc incites pity and a desire to heal him, rather than fear and hatred - which makes perfect sense, since they are ultimately pitiable tormented creatures, at least in the beginning. That hurt, mistrustfull expression in his light-less eyes is so heartbreaking.
Personally, I think that Orcs could be made in one generation (in that the captured Elves were ultimately so broken down that they no longer knew anything but pain and hatred, everything else having been purged from their memory), but that for the Orcdom to be truly irreversible, it took a few generations more. (Not millions of years as some people think, though! Melkor isn't letting evolution take its slow course after all, he's actively breeding. And there's a lot of damage that can be done through repeated trauma, a lack of light, bad nourishment, poisons etc. - Melkor wouldn't even need to re-program their genetic code once he's got an initial set of Elves to work on. Not that I want to think about this for too long!
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TurnerMohan In reply to Qitian [2018-05-26 01:41:15 +0000 UTC]
Your thoughts on this are very close to my own. An elf, being vastly more durable than a human physically (their corporeal lives being without natural end) it does seem to me that they could be so abused for so long as to break their spirit and what "makes them elves" on a level that would not really be possible for humanity. Tolkien remarked once in a note that the elves only have children in times of peace and plenty (which, again, is not at all surprising for creatures that have forever to wait for the "right time") and I tend to think a key moment in Melkor's corruption of them would have to have been getting the first kidnapped crops (of which the figure here is intended to be one) to the point where they would harm eachother, sexually (and in all other ways) and breed him successive generations, which he could really put his power upon and warp and ruin physically and spiritually. I don't think it would take too many generations for "orcs" to emerge as really separate beasts in body and soul from their elven forebears, though the continuing descent and degeneration of the new formed "species" Β would probably progress with time and generations (elena Kukanova's orc study, inwhich some physical evidence of their elven heritage can still be seen, is to my mind a great "elder days" orc, more elven still, more elegant and vampiric almost, than the squat, ape-like creatures of later ages, something that the elves of middle-earth could feasibly assume, early on, to be other tribes of the eldar turned evil and savage) the question arises in my mind of whether, despite the vast difference in phenotype, orcs are, genetically and spiritually, still elves: do they die naturally? Do their souls remain in Ea forever, perhaps lost in some "duress" or purgatory like a much farther flung version of the fate of, say, feanor, his sons, aol, saeros? And will they be freed from it after middle-earth's end of days? Tolkien never really specifies, though he did once speculate that the souls of orcs might be able to be redeemed by God, but not by elves or men. they can't be "healed" in this life, or perhaps even while the world lasts. It's tragic stuff, mythically, religiously tragic, and I tend to think that the elves, being the creatures of insight that they are, know this, or can sense it, about their "bitterest foes" and take the killing of the orcs for their own survival as this entirely necessary but deeply sad thing. There is probably some diversity among the eldar, with gentler souls among them unable, even in defense of their own homes, to engage this struggle, while others, like maedhros or the other great, warlike lords of the noldor, while understanding the dynamic just as well, can ride roughshod over their own natural empathy and do what has to be done
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ElrondPeredhel In reply to TurnerMohan [2018-05-30 23:48:41 +0000 UTC]
I would think the first step is breaking their will : we have an idea of it with Gwindor who became fearfull. Maedhros is hanged for years to a cliff and it creates anger so I guess it depends of the Elves' character. As for other captives of Angband I remembered you mentionned the idea of Elves toying with masks like the Dwarves : the House of the Hammer of Wrath would be a good try at this with masks hiding the damage done to their faces.
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MatejCadil [2018-05-17 20:34:13 +0000 UTC]
Impressive illustration and very inspiring and thoughtful description.
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Ictonyx [2018-05-17 07:38:19 +0000 UTC]
Great painting and thoughts - I must say I often find your musings just as inspiring as your artwork.Β
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TurnerMohan In reply to Ictonyx [2018-05-26 02:06:14 +0000 UTC]
Thank you my friend. I hear that alot (about my written musings) Tbh it's always a thing I'm a little self conscious about - though I know it's always complementary on the part of commentors like yourself - because I'm not where I'd like to be, technically, as an artist (all the pieces I put up exist in my mind rendered to the level of an Alan lee or a Donato Giancola) and I wonder sometimes if I'm not to a certain degree compensating. Art as they say should speak for itself, but on the other hand, some things really do have to be told rather than shown, and honestly alot of the time the "essay" occurs to me first, and the drawing follows. I'm still trying to figure out the right medium or way to present my work that would accomplish both aims, I was thinking (especially since I'm now working largely in digital) to do speed painting videos with a running audiotrack of my thoughts on the subject at hand, like a video essay. Maybe
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DrawDoc In reply to TurnerMohan [2019-03-24 15:50:58 +0000 UTC]
I'm new on DeviantArt and you are one of the first artists whose pictures I'm going through, so my opinion may not mean much, but I don't think you are compensating at all. Yes, art should speak for itself, but the fact that you write something about your art doesn't mean yours does not. I'd rather say you are combining two beautiful kinds of art. I would enjoy your writings alone as much as I would enjoy your drawings, but together they are all the more fun to me. Especially since I'm very interested but not very knowledgeable yet about the Tolkien universe. And all the more since what you write goes further then just quoting Tolkien's passages, it gives me an understanding of your art and especially the process I could never get by simply looking at your drawings. I really couldn't say which I like more so please continue writing them!
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Ictonyx In reply to TurnerMohan [2018-05-26 11:09:37 +0000 UTC]
The video idea is good! Speaking for myself, the ideal way to consume your art (and perhaps an idea for the future) would be something like a wordier version of the Alan Lee LOTR sketchbook. Pictures printed reasonably large, with essays or commentary on consecutive pages.
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Libra1010 [2018-05-16 21:10:08 +0000 UTC]
Β By the way, excellent work on this Character Study Master Mohan - 'tis good to see you posting again!Β
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Libra1010 [2018-05-16 21:09:42 +0000 UTC]
Β I have to say that of all suggested origins for the Orcs this idea that they were broken and clubbed together into a formidably brutal fighting force has always rung the most true to me; I have tended to think of Orcs as less a people and more a caste, like the Ottoman Janissaries, for some little time now and may well continue to do so.
Β I think that in EVERY generation when the Dark Lord is at work beings are stolen away and cruelly misused until they are forged into a ragged, ferocious and pitiful host; in fact this might help explain why the Goblin seen in THE HOBBIT are at least capable of holding a technically-civil conversation, while those seen almost everywhere else are more Elemental threats. Β Β
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MoArtProductions [2018-05-15 05:31:12 +0000 UTC]
Maybe Melkor forced them to work in his computer business; working countless hours in front of a screen can make anyone bitter, just look at me.
I joke of course, anyway yeah this is pretty much a canon of mine, that orcs were once good creatures that were so entirely bent on evil that they are completely unrecognizable from their former kin in more ways than one. Actually now that I think about it, Gollum in some ways, and even The NazgΓ»l to some extent are somewhat similar to the orcs in concert as they were all beings that were victims of corruption in some way or whatever that made them into monsters.
I see you went for a homo erectus appearance here, which is idly a good fit as that species was a defining link between the more ape-like hominids and the more modern homo sapiens.
In my vision of this scene I always wanted to draw out that quote from the book in the form of a comic panel, with the last page showing a crowd shot of orcs with one in the middle foreground doing the iconic Joker shot from The Killing Joke, only he'd be screeching instead of laughing.
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saiyanslayergaming [2018-05-15 04:04:28 +0000 UTC]
That is terrifying, they should have just kept them like that and no one would oppose them
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mrcoffeetablebook [2018-05-15 00:19:19 +0000 UTC]
Love it! The contrast, the lines, the expression...I love it all! Nice work!
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vincedaniell [2018-05-14 23:32:08 +0000 UTC]
this looks creepy but that creepiness is what it brought me to its awesomeness! the posing and right blend of coloring is really great!
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Rickadoo [2018-05-14 19:34:43 +0000 UTC]
Kinda looks like my art teacher from 8th grade! Lol miss Kemp
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Phoenixnightfury123 In reply to Rickadoo [2018-05-14 23:27:24 +0000 UTC]
OH God, I don'tΒ even want to know!Β
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Rickadoo In reply to Phoenixnightfury123 [2018-05-15 02:37:56 +0000 UTC]
It's Soo funny. She was always mean and had her white cat's hair all stuck to her. She smelled like fireworks.
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Mellaril [2018-05-14 19:19:43 +0000 UTC]
I love your art, and your thoughtful description. The figure in this painting does indeed look half-elf, half-orc: wounded, mistrustful, and disfigured but still human somehow. I did immediately think of Gwindor as Beleg found him after his escape. In a larger sense, the world and the suffering within it is corrosive and cruel, and every villain was once a bright and curious child. Would it be possible for an Orc to become an Elf again? So many questions.Β
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MoArtProductions In reply to lTheBloodyToasterl [2018-05-15 05:33:00 +0000 UTC]
You know now that you mention it, Gollum in some ways is similar to the orcs, and to some extension even The NazgΓ»l, how they were all victims of corruption in some form or other that made them the monstocities we were supposedly meant to be scared of.
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lTheBloodyToasterl In reply to MoArtProductions [2018-05-18 15:44:06 +0000 UTC]
sure...Β
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Lurklen [2018-05-14 11:12:47 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, I have to say he looks too human to me. He's supposed to be an elf in decline but he looks more like a tired old black man. Nothing wrong with the image mind you, as usual your art is outstanding, but I feel like your orcs have a more robust ape like skull shape and your elves a longer nobler face that feels inhuman but not too alien. This guy doesn't feel like he's an in-between stage for those so much as a man deprived and troubled. He looks too much himself, if you take my meaning? Not something in between two states but simply a beleaguered form unto himself.
Personally I feel like heading in the direction of an elf that is less somber and more wrathful, like an elf going feral, is the right direction. I think of the elves changing to survive, becoming monstrous, the way some animals that are abused become more savage, while others curl up and die or become needy towards their abusers. I feel as though those who led to the orc were much more the former than the latter. But I think the road to depicting that is by making them appear less human, all their hate and pain and rage warping them from the beauty of the elves, something shared in part with humans, to the hearty enduring aggression of an orc.
Because remember in the end humanity is the ideal. For all that the elves are depicted as great they fade and leave, it's the humans that inherit the world. They are the mysterious third children for whom all the trials of the elder days shape the world. So I think depicting a fallen elf as man-like is a misstep. More disturbing is seeing the naturally excellent and perfect elf reduced to a brutal thug, one who does not feel sorrow, but instead hates, and doesn't experience happiness, but instead violent glee. All their deep thoughts made puerile and petty and animal. In this middling stage I'd think they'd still bear some of their elven beauty, but it would be tainted by what's happening to them and I think it's at this point while they are still unsettled they would look the most disturbing, being neither an elf or yet an orc and so caught in a misbegotten half stage. Looking more monstrous than they will even later when they have become the orc, because they look so wrong and unfinished.
This also makes me wonder if Morgoth had a plan or if he was simply experimenting and stumbled upon orcs. Did he know that if he put an elf through enough suffering and violence he could bend and shape it to his will and make it into something of his own, or did he abuse them and breed them to to amuse himself, to see what he would get, and at some point the orc was born and it pleased him so greatly he chose it to be his masterpiece? And if it is the latter what other misbegotten creatures did he create in his experimenting?
Understand, I don't mean to be overly critical. I just admire your work and think you've got a better fallen elf in you.
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romenriel In reply to Lurklen [2018-05-14 17:54:48 +0000 UTC]
I think he looks like human mostly because Mr. Mohan just draws Elfs human-like, or at least more human-like than most of artists.
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Mooroflife In reply to Lurklen [2018-05-14 13:07:53 +0000 UTC]
Gwindor is said to look like a worn out old man after returning from captivity though.
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TedShatner10 [2018-05-14 09:50:35 +0000 UTC]
Reminds of the transition of Hobbit Smeagol into the creature, Gollum.
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Mc-Kid [2018-05-14 08:06:41 +0000 UTC]
Awesome considerations! It may be just me but I see a hint of Ron Perlman in the traits of this unfortunate soul.
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TurnerMohan In reply to Mc-Kid [2018-05-14 09:08:35 +0000 UTC]
well i tried to make him look a little like he was turning into an ape (since tolkien's orcs are decribed as ape-like) so i guess that's expected
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Mc-Kid In reply to TurnerMohan [2018-05-14 09:12:31 +0000 UTC]
Ok, just a coincidence.
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