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Dude your post is fun and have to say BluePhoenixx, you are the punchline hahaha. All you have proven is just your personal blind opinion of a man and even when others who knows Che well enough tells you that he is not racist you continue to troll. Sounds like you go around judging people the wrong way all day.
Feeling oppressed without hope, are the rich stealing from the poor, call Che. That would be a better meme.
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So who exactly are you're referring to who know him? I like how you think you know what I do all day based on one post. Yes, I'm the judgmental one haha. The irony is killing me.
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It could have been worse... He could have been a national 'symbol' of HOPE and CHANGE!
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At least "hope and change" has become a joke to most people. Let's just hope that doesn't change... (thank you thank you lol)
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Actually, given the 'horror' list of evil government officials who HAVE already used the Hope and Change mana in years past, it wouldn't surprise me if Che had used that as part of his propaganda slogan when he was starting out.
You know what they say about those who refuse to learn from history... They elect Barack Obama. lol.
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Che read books constantly, he was a musician, he was friends with John Lennon, he wasn't racist images-mediawiki-sites.thefull… and he didn't murder gays. You are ignorant and gullible.
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Just because he read, it doesn't mean he didn't burn books. Just because he played on an instrument, it doesn't mean he didn't ban music. He was racist and he certainly murdered gays. And I'm the one who is ignorant and gullible. Pull your head from your ass.
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Prove any of it, just try - you can't do it because it never happened.
It is fundamentally against his beliefs to do any of this.
Che loved knowledge and learning and wanted to spread it.
Che was friends with John Lennon. Che may have banned a song or two, if he had i have yet to here of it. US also banned songs; they banned the Internationale and other socialist songs, songs which were seen as dirty for the time etc.
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Che Guevara tried to liberate Congo. Why would he work with black people in order to try to liberate them if he felt that they were evil or inferior? Many US presidents were racist, many popular politicians were/are racists.
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The only people Che executed or killed to my knowledge were torturers, soldiers and spies. The US tortures and kills people illegally without charge in Guantanamo Bay.
The US hired ex-Nazi war criminal, 'the butcher of Lyon' to help find Che. They got a drunk soldier to riddle him with bullets to make it appear as though he died in battle. They buried him in a hidden, unmarked mass grave.
I'm not an expert on Che Guevara, I just enjoy learning about him. However you know nothing about Che and present these lies as fact,
I think this may apply to you:
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If you had any kind of understanding of Che Guevara or knowledge of his life then you would be able to back up your claims.
I provided proof to speed this up a little bit but don't be mistaken, the burden of proof is on you.
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There isn't a single reason why I should waste my time linking you proof. All the proof in the world wouldn't convince you because your mind is made up. You will make up one excuse after another or deflect by saying that other people did it too. To that point, who gives a shit? It doesn't make it any less wrong.
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You really don't even see the hypocrisy in that comment?
You might as well have said "I'm going to ignore your evidence and never prove my accusations because you would just ignore my evidence!"
Like i said before the burden of proof is on you, if you can't provide any evidence then i'm going on the assumption that you made it all up because you are a moron.
I wasn't saying that it doesn't matter what Che did because other people did it too, i was saying that Che never did what you say he did whereas the US government did.
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You have 0 evidence proving anything about Che. All you have done is try to justify his atrocities by deflecting. I don't care if the US government did those awful things as well. It's STILL a bad thing. If you justify Che by saying that the US did it too, you are no better than those who support those similar actions committed by the US.
Like I said, I don't need to prove a thing to you, nor do I have to waste my time doing your homework. You can call names like you've been doing to others in this comment section, but that says far more about you than it does about me. If you were any kind of a respectable person, I would indulge you with facts, but you're nothing but a waste of time.
All I have to do is look down at your replies to others to see that you have no interest in learning about Che, only defending him. True to liberal form, the facts don't matter to you, only the fantasies and the rhetoric. You just want to fight and I have better things to do than fight with a frothing troll.
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"Like i said before the burden of proof is on you, if you can't provide any evidence then i'm going on the assumption that you made it all up because you are a moron."
What atrocities? and why don't you understand that the burden of proof is on you? (as in you are making the absurd claims so you have to prove it, i don't have to disprove it) For you to demand evidence from me to disprove your absurd claims is a logical fallacy.
"I wasn't saying that it doesn't matter what Che did because other people did it too, i was saying that Che never did what you say he did whereas the US government did."
Did you even read my comment?
Like I have said, you DO have to prove it, otherwise you have no proof and are lying. You shouldn't have to do the homework, if you make these claims then you should have already done the homework. The burden of proof is on you, not me.
I will defend him until someone actually provides evidence, which none of you guys can do, not even so much as a source. There is a difference between teaching someone and lying to them, you are certainly not a teacher and i know from you meme that you have no problem lying. So why not lie any more? Why just say 'nah, i don't feel like proving it'? Is is by any chance because you have no evidence? A troll is someone who says things to make people angry, only one of us lied and slandered a respected martyr.
I don't even think your lying, i think that you have just assumed this. I think that your world view is so twisted that you have to justify it by making people into monsters in your head. When you realize that someone as intelligent and brave as Che Guevara was a communist, you turn him into a monster; it's probably not that hard seeing as you grew up hearing that Che was an 'evil, anti-'murican, god-hating commie'.
Your right about one thing, i did get very angry at ninjawerr and honestly you should be sad that he is on your side, he is pretty dumb and more annoying than anyone else I've ever met on DA.
He claims to be an expert on things to try and win arguments, he tells you that he can't provide evidence but you can find it yourself if you track down and interview secret agents 'like he did'. He has no knowledge of history; he doesn't know that Che and Castro are two separate people. He doesn't understand logic and is infamously ignorant among the DA political community.
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I'll be honest, I didn't read past your first paragraph of you quoting yourself. I told you already that you're not worth my time. All you want to do is call names and fight. There is no reason to respect you or your opinions. None. See yourself out please.
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I was quoting myself because you didn't read it. You know that you have lost and that you are wrong, that's why your not reading it.
I provided evidence against your claims that you couldn't refute, so you dismissed it, nor could you defend your claims.
I avoided insulting you, but it's really hard when someone makes absurd claims about a dead man and refuses to provide evidence.
So, go ahead, spread your lies, I know and you know that you are a liar and a worthless human being; I'm satisfied with that.
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I read it. It just meant nothing to me. I'll say it one last time, you are a waste of time and you can pretend that you've "won" (even though you have no proof of your claims, ironically) and that's fine with me because you are a nobody. Now move along with the rest of your communist sheep. The wolf doesn't care about the sheep's opinion of him.
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Pay attention this time - *I never made any claims*, you are the one making the claims and you are the only one who hasn't provided evidence, so how you came to the conclusion that 'i have no proof of my claims' is a mystery.
I don't care if you try to take the highroad in order to give yourself a delusion of moral superiority, because I can see through you.
You are slandering a famous dead man to a herd of gullible idiots, who is the real nobody?
Who is it that believes this meme without any evidence? Not the communists.
Who is it that believes their own lies because they want it to be true? Not me.
So who are the sheep?
"The wolf doesn't care about the sheep's opinion of him." This refers to the wolf killing sheep and the sheep hate it for doing so.
So you are aware of your lies, you just don't care that I condemn you for it.
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Run along with your sheep. There is no arguing with someone who can only use insults. Go waste someone else's time.
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I never meant to insult you, like i said, I avoided it. Everything I say goes in one ear and out the other.
You can continue ignoring me and stay in blissful ignorance of your own lies.
I make a point, you reply "I ain't listenin' to no commie propaganda. I don't need to explain myself to you, Santa is in the Illuminati, Nelson Mandela founded the KKK!"
The reason why you are refusing to prove your claims isn't because you think i'll dismiss it, it's because you know i'll debunk it.
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From the moment you started commenting you began insulting. You're not fooling anyone and you certainly didn't make a single effort to be civil. You aren't going to bait me into indulging you in a conversation you never really wanted to have anyways. Go ahead and believe what you will about why I'm not going to argue with you. Whatever you need to do to feel better about yourself. Move along.
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"I never meant to insult you, like i said, I avoided it" I didn't say I avoided it well.
If you want to use the excuse that I hurt your feelings to back out of an argument then so be it.
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Who said you hurt my feelings? I simply said you're clearly unable to have a civil conversation. I don't have time to "debate" someone who has no self control and only wants to fight. But you keep telling yourself that it's because I'm offended and that I don't have an argument. Move along.
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You have been trying to get out of this from the very beginning, you have been using excuses as to why you wont defend your claims.
I quoted myself, I was rude to you, you've argued with people like me before, if you made an argument I would just deflect it, my mind is already made up, i'll just try and justify it by saying that others did it too etc.
These are all nonsense excuses to get out of having to try to prove your absurd claims.
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"You have been trying to get out of this from the very beginning..."
From the very beginning, you have called names. Like I've explained many times, I'm simply not interested in furthering a conversation with someone like you. How many times more do i need to explain that? I know that's not what you want to believe because I'm sure you feel like your name calling is justified, but the last thing I care about is what you believe.
Move along.
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You just proved my point further, using the excuse that I called you a name...
Well, you started it when you called Che Guevara a few names, I even gave you a chance to prove me wrong, Che doesn't get a chance!
Either you have no evidence and are a liar or you legitimately don't like being slandered and are a hypocrite...
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Whatever you want to believe. Move along.
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Tales of survivors and records that were salvaged from fleeing officials that opposed him speak otherwise.
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Survivors of what? Fleeing officials of the oppressive, right-wing dictatorship that Che stopped? These accounts from these 'survivors' and 'officials' prove that Che burned books? That he banned music? That he murdered gays? I think not, in fact i doubt they could even point in that direction.
If Che was racist why would he attempt to help liberate Congo?
If Che was racist, homophobic, or totalitarian, then why would he and John Lennon be friends? Why would he even be a Marxist when Marxism opposes all of these things you claim he believed. He was an extremely 'by the book' Marxist, he himself opposed all of these things. So stop BSing me and stop trying to lie. I've had enough of you from the last time you tried to argue with me, you are ignorant, arrogant and stubborn. If you have any more stupid lies to throw about, please feel free to bash your head against your computer until you loose consciousness and the urge to compulsively lie passes.
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No survivors of the massacre Che caused, And yes there tales are recorded in the archives of the library of congress and they complement this deviation well.
"If Che was racist why would he attempt to help liberate Congo?"
to become president of Course , although dictator would be a more appropriate title.
"If Che was racist, homophobic, or totalitarian, then why would he and John Lennon be friends?"
How could they even have met? The country was closed to anyone during the incident, no one could get in so unless they were citizens.
" Why would he even be a Marxist when Marxism opposes all of these things you claim he believed. He was an extremely 'by the book' Marxist, he himself opposed all of these things. "
So was Trosky and he massacred the Cossacks. There are very few of them still alive today thanks to him.
"So stop BSing me and stop trying to lie. I've had enough of you from the last time you tried to argue with me, you are ignorant, arrogant and stubborn. If you have any more stupid lies to throw about, please feel free to bash your head against your computer until you loose consciousness and the urge to compulsively lie passes."
same advice is back to you.
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What tales?
Why would he want to be the leader of Congo? He was in a very powerful political position in Cuba but quit to try and achieve world revolution. In communism, their are no leaders and like I said he was a very 'by the book' Marxist.
You're right, there is no way John Lennon could have gotten into Cuba... Oh wait...
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upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia… (This is a statue in Cuba, Fidel Castro had it made in John Lennon's memory)
Cossacks aren't a race. Trotsky may have fought with them, I don't know, i certainly don't believe you. However the fact that Cossacks are so rare may be for the same reason that Japan has no Ninjas and Britain has no knights... because times change.
I'm seeing a pattern here. I think this might end up the same way the last argument did. You are going to continually reply without actually making any real points or providing any evidence.
I know that you are going to reply to this with more lies and ignorant slander. Then I will be forced to reply in order to debunk them so you will make more lies and further slander Che Guevara. So I'm just going to say now, I PROMICE not to reply to any more comments and will leave you with the last word as long as you don't lie or slander. This will be easier if you just don't attempt to make any points.
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So your halting to check the accuracy, good, if you check the british royal library it should have everything i've told you and more. no lies, only black and white.
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thats a picture of castro not che, he was not hated at first untill him and stalin made a deal. only then where the borders closed tight enough tight enough to make that impossible, by then lennon has been to cuba 7 times any of which that picture can be taken.
"i certainly don't believe you."
I respect your right not to, my account says ninja afterall.
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I don't live in England. Also there isn't any such thing as the British Royal Library. There is a British Library but it's in London. Also, I highly doubt that it can prove any of these accusations. If there is any evidence and you know it then you should be able to tell me what it is, rather than telling me to go research in a Library.
It is Che Guevara. You can just search "John Lennon Che Guevara" on Google.
Cuban Revolution: 1953-1959
Stalin: died 5 March 1953
He was hated in America by the right wing from the beginning because he was a communist who was fighting the pro-American capitalist dictatorship in Cuba and taking back the oil stolen by America in the Cuban war of independence.
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In actuality I was trying to save you time By giving you one source where all the information will be available to you, or will be made available upon request.
In what country do you actually live? This information can tell me based how much Internet can tell you based on certain censorship laws in the region, public opinion, and influx of hackers.
doubt is a weapon which actually kills the user faster then it does it's adversary.
And of course Che was hated in America, with good reason. But for your own safety, I will not tell you why until you tell me where you from.
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By telling me to go to London and go to a library and find my own evidence you were saving me time? No, it would have been easier to provide the evidence you have, if any as well as a source so that I may decide whether or not to trust it.
I live in Northern Ireland.
Not relevant in any way to anything what so ever, nor is it true. If a stranger offered you sweets to get in his van, doubt is what protects you. Doubt is not an accident, it is evolution.
That makes no sense, i already know why America hates Che Guevara; "he was a communist who was fighting the pro-American capitalist dictatorship in Cuba and taking back the oil stolen by America in the Cuban war of independence." So he was made out as some kind of monster like most communists.
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Then Dublin's the place to go then, closer proximity and better resources.
che he wasn't the fighter in Cuba, it was elsewhere, what your reading is propaganda.
Advice to you is pick up a book, not a iPad. The truth awaits in black-and-white, not 32-bit pixel.
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I don't live near Dublin, nor am i going to go there and do your research for you.
Che was a fighter in Cuba... That's why he is a Cuban icon. He wasn't from Cuba, he went there and fought for their freedom. That is the most basic of knowledge of Che, you really should know that seeing as you are claiming to know what you say you know.
I don't have an ipad... i have read about Che Guevara and every time you make a comment it becomes increasingly clear that you are full of it. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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I'm not asking you to do my reasurch for me, I'm asking you to double check yours, besides Ireland is smaller yet mighty, surely up you can find the strength and time to take a small drive, it would be no problem to you, it's not like you live in la and your driving to DC.
there are 3 different Che's that have made world history, in that Knolage you can draw your own conclusion on why we confuse each other.
could you give me the books titles and publishing houses so I many learn what you know?
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Yes you are, you don't know anything about him and just tell me to go to a library and find evidence that you are right. Ireland is small but I'm not going to go to a Library in Belfast to read every book they have on Che Guevara because you told me to. Why don't you just make a point and provide evidence and explain it.
There is only one Ernesto 'Che' Guevara.
No, i don't own any books on Che Guevara, I have read about him and I have seen documentaries about him. I saw a very good documentary about him, but I can't find it.
Although it's not about Che Guevara specifically, I recommend that you watch 'War on Democracy'.
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Believe your mislead theroy. But I'm asking you to expand what you already know.
yeah there's one who served in the Spanish navy 1800-1820, there's one who fought for communism, and there is one who was a singer. Oh sorry that's 3.
Could you tell me what you read? But beyond that question I will look it up, and I ask that you please let me know when you find it so I may look further into it.
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It's not a theory XD It's historical fact. I don't need to expand what I know because, evidently I already know more that you.
"There is only one Ernesto 'Che' Guevara."
- Are all three of them called 'Ernsesto 'Che' Guevara'? There was no confusion between them, we were both talking about the same person.
"No, i don't own any books on Che Guevara, I have read about him and I have seen documentaries about him. I saw a very good documentary about him, but I can't find it.
Although it's not about Che Guevara specifically, I recommend that you watch 'War on Democracy'."
- I can't remember there titles, i don't own any books on Che Guevara.
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You don't know about the genocide campaign he lead in the democratic republic of Congo, so self evidently you don't.
when I can't remember it helps me if I write it down.
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Genocide against who? Why would he do that if ideologically it goes against everything he believed in? He worked with the people of Congo in an attempt to free them. Do you have any shred of evidence for this? Do you even have a source [creditworthy or otherwise]?
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Genocide against the reagoins inabidennce and any semi Capitalist presence. There was no violation of the manifesto unless he believed in more then just comunisum and your not telling me all you know of his belive system.
And my sources come directly from the pentagon, declassified mi6 records (both are mosty Cold War journals.) the survivors written and archived testimony's against Che, and written accounts of individuals who were there and survived (to be easy acssessed at the library of congress), first hand accounts from catholic missionary's under Vatican protection (these written accounts made it back to the Vatican with the missionary's and there escorts mutilated remains, the accounts where unaltered because none of Che's soldiers spoke or could read Latin.) declassified mission journals from your country's G2, (at least they were when I got them, not sure why they were there.) and now public domain KGB record.
Will you please list your sources?
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Reagoins? Inabidennce? How can one commit genocide against capitalist presence?
Communism is more in depth than the Communist Manifesto. Also, it is EXTREMELY anti-communist to target religious or ethnic etc groups.
I don't know all of his ideological beliefs but I know that he never attempted genocide and never targeted religious or ethnic etc groups.
Sources for what? Do you want me to prove that Che Guevara DIDN'T commit genocide?
Mit Romney is a purple unicorn who farts rainbows. It's true, i have many sources from the KGB and the Illuminati. There are tonnes of people who saw him disintegrate 1,000,000 people with his rainbow farts. But you should really go down to the New York library and see for yourself.
Now provide a source to disprove that... you see my point? I can't disprove it because It never happened, I can't prove that you have no sources because you wont give me a straight answer.
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I've given you straight answers now give me straight answers.
what are your sources?
this is your last test request.
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"Sources for what? Do you want me to prove that Che Guevara DIDN'T commit genocide?
Mit Romney is a purple unicorn who farts rainbows. It's true, i have many sources from the KGB and the Illuminati. There are tonnes of people who saw him disintegrate 1,000,000 people with his rainbow farts. But you should really go down to the New York library and see for yourself.
Now provide a source to disprove that... you see my point? I can't disprove it because It never happened, I can't prove that you have no sources because you wont give me a straight answer." Clearly you didn't read this.
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I did, and I gave you a strait answer on where to look, if I gave you the details to the letter on the vadican source and the declassified KGB records, my account would be deactivated for violating the Deveantart policy on graphic content. (Yes there is that much gore. )
the freedom of information act requires that any information the pentagon had its hand in covertly is not to be disclosed over cyberspace even if declassified, until clearance is given by the Air force, mi6 and g2 policy is the same with there nations respective cyber security units, which Means unless you pull your self up and stop cracking jokes you will never get the answers.
We both have incomplete puzzles of the same product, and missing key peaces.
and if you don't give me exact locations or documents on where you got your info on Che, it's going to stay that way for eternity.
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I still don't think you got my point.
"Mit Romney is a purple unicorn who farts rainbows. It's true, i have many sources from the KGB and the Illuminati. There are tonnes of people who saw him disintegrate 1,000,000 people with his rainbow farts. But you should really go down to the New York library and see for yourself."
That is pretty much just as valid as anything you have said. It gives no real evidence for the claims.
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Saying I'm comparing apples and oranges when I'm comparing apples and apples, you can't make that point until you know the full story and you're still calling bullshit on one thing that is plain as day due to one thing, you're too lazy to talk to the postmaster.
Have fun with your delusions, I'm going to leave you to them.
when you actually do have a source to back up your argument let me know.
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Wow, how can you still not understand what I'm saying. I'm seriously doubting your ability to read.
I am obligated to conclude that you do understand my argument but are trying to talk around it because you realize you've lost but can't face it. You essentially said "Yeah, well whatever... your crazy, see ya'!"
*I* can't prove that Che wasn't a genocidal maniac for the same reason that *you* can't prove that Mit Romney isn't secretly a purple unicorn with rainbow farts.
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