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Published: 2016-01-31 22:29:48 +0000 UTC; Views: 25769; Favourites: 251; Downloads: 254
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This map was made for the Map of the Fortnight contest over on AltHistoria, which you can find here:Β althistoria.proboards.com/threβ¦I don't have a full, detailed explanation of this world - I put this together quite quickly and need to get it submitted now in order to meet the deadline - but the short version is that the British are not successful in the French and Indian War, though they win the Seven Years War overall, so France keeps its North American holdings and the threat of French invasion averts the American Revolution. Revolutions break out in Europe even without the American one as inspiration and soon these revolutions spread to the Americas, resulting in the independence of most of Spain's colonies. Chile, notably, is able to defeat the less organised countries around it to resolve border disputes in its favour, quickly becoming a regional power. With no United States to settle, democratic and stable Chile becomes an immigration magnet (of a sort), leading to rapid growth and development in the country. Its naval prowess is unmatched in the Americas, and it uses this to expand its national interests in the South Pacific, first siezing uninhabited islands with sizable guano deposits, and later asserting suzerainty over various Polynesian states. As the description in the image says, Chile's empire reaches its height after it and Mexico beat Spain in a large war and Chile gains most of Spain's holdings in the East Indies. Unfortunately for Chile, this is the "height" of its empire, as in the 20th century it is increasingly eclipsed by its friend and brother, Mexico, and soon there will be war in the family again.
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Fact: Initially, there were plans to take the Philippines from Spain by the Chilean goverment and also to establish control over El Callao and Guayaquil
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Whoa, really? I guess this map isn't as far-fetched as I originally thought!
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Woah, your maps are amazing: just how much time do you spend working on each of them? 
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Ah, thank you! This is one of the nicest messages I've ever received on here.
I'm not sure how long I spend on each map - I do the work in short bursts over several days or a couple of weeks, so it's hard to keep track. It also varies depending on how much detail I want to put in. I'd take a rough guess that this map took me... maybe 6 - 8 hours of solid work? A good third of that would've been tracing the coastline and borders, though.
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Really? Aww, I'm happy to know that!
And thanks for your answer: wow, you spend more time working on your maps than I do working on each one of my pictures! 
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Such a beautiful map!
Either way, i'd like to know what North America and Europe look like ITTL.
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Thanks! I'm not sure about Europe, but North America is dominated by Mexico rather than the USA. In place of the USA is a British dominion based around the 13 colonies, with a Louisianian buffer state between it and Mexico.
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How about Canada? How large is it? Does it control Alaska?
And this Louisianian state you mentioned? Was it a colony of France, Spain, or England?
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I don't think I ever worked out what happens with Canada - the PoD of this world involves France keeping most of its North American holdings after the Seven Years War, so there may not even be a "Canada". Louisiana was a French colony as in our timeline, but instead of being bought by the USA it gains its independence and is propped up by Mexico as a buffer against the British in the East.
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Thanks! 
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President Roca would expel Chileans from Patagonia.
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Again, this is an alternate history scenario.
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Although your explanation is Somewhat limited, but it is more likely in this point of divergence that Chile and Mexico successfully bested the Spaniards and expanded the borders.
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I think you may be misinterpreting or misreading something I wrote, because Chile and Mexico did beat Spain and expand their borders in this scenario.
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Sorry, laddie, my honest mistake. However I wrote my Murdoch Mysteries fanfic with my Fem OC who was veteran of War of the Pacific and became friends with Toronto Constabulary Detective William Murdoch as partner in crime fighting duo.
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wow im from chile and i found this map pretty acurate and amazing, even the name of the post it is a reference to our national anthem GJ there 
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Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
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Very nice indeed. Sorry to hear about Chile's falling out with Mexico, but I guess they were always sort of an odd couple.
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Thanks!
In this timeline Chile and Mexico compliment one another well initially, being the pre-eminent naval and land powers in the Americas respectively. Later on, once Mexico's economy really takes off and it takes the place of the USA of OTL, it builds up its own naval forces. I haven't worked out the specifics, but I imagine Chile gets increasingly annoyed as Mexico's dominance of their relationship, and when disputes arise between them Mexico realises that they both don't need Chile's aid any more and can beat Chile in a war at sea.
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Awesome work and a VERY original idea!
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Thanks!
I got the idea mainly from the game Victoria 2 - I played a game as Afghanistan and late in the game Chile became a great power, later I tried to recreate Chile's success myself by instituting political reforms to attract more migrants and colonising the South Pacific. I never actually did that well, because I'm not great at Victoria 2 and it seemed nigh impossible to pass political reforms or get an industrial economy going in Chile, but that's where the idea of an immigration magnet Chile with a Pacific empire came from!
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Indeed! I haven't been playing games like that much recently, which might go someway towards explaining my recent lack of inspiration.
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Lucky bastard >:c Wish I had time to play games!Β
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Might be on the wankish side of things. But I always figured such a scenario would see Chile become like Paraguay in having the native language as being official as Spanish.
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It is pretty much a Chilewank, but I like to make these scenarios a little bit extreme without being completely ridiculous - they're more interesting that way.
Why do you think the native language (presumably Mapudungun) would become as official as Spanish? I don't see why it would be as widely used as Spanish, especially since a large number of Chileans in this alternate timeline are recent European immigrants, who are likely to be gradually absorbed into Spanish Chilean culture rather than into the culture of the native minority.
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I was basing my assumption upon how Chileans in the 19th century perceived the Mapuche as part of the national identity.
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Why didn't they use Mapudungun as a co-official language in our timeline?
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I honestly think it was pressure from European immigrants.
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Ah, well that'd be even worse in this timeline, as Chile gets a lot of European immigration.
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I can bet, and probably Argentina's dislike of Great Britain over the Falkland Islands.
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Eh? I don't understand what you mean about the Falklands.
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Well the Argentinians always been in a debacle with the British over the Falklands because they consider it their own territory.
So I was thinking the same would be for Chile if this time line.
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Ah, I don't think it would. Argentina's claim to the Falklands comes from their claim to the territory of the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plata - I don't think Chile would necessarily make a similar claim to all Spanish territory in the South Atlantic in this timeline just because they acquired Patagonia.
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True.
Either way I am a chileophile.
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Well, that's part of why I made this map - I like the idea of a larger Chile and am interested in the country's history.
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For me I was thinking of Wiring being invented in Chile.
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Sorry, I don't know what you mean.
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Like for a techonological Alternate History because most of it's economy is based around copper.
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