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the word is *dresses* sorry about that. I saw that mistake after I posted the stamp.1Timothy 2:9 In the same way also, I desire that women adorn themselves in decent clothing, with modesty and sensibleness, not adorned with braiding, or gold, or pearls, or costly clothing,
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Would jeans and t-shirts be considered un-modest? I mean, clothing that shows off a ton of cleavage or shorts so short you can see underwear I get, but is jeans and a t-shirt bad?
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no, that is ok 
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I hate it when people dress like that. Men women, it matters not. Clothes are a thing people!
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Any woman should dress modestly, but this goes for men too I think. Nowadays I see guys wearing speedos, ultra-tight shirts that show off their body, and low-sagging jeans with boxers poking out.
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Ikr? I mean, the last part you mentioned actually originated from prison.
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I'm not against slightly revealing clothes/wearing unisex, I live in hot climates and wearing long pants/dresses is suicidal. As a Christian myself, yep I can wear bikinis, shorts and tank tops during informal venues and pools. However in churches, it's not acceptable. Also I won't run along the street in a strip suit in common sense. Its just humiliating both for God and my body
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Got it, wearing clothes which are too exposing or sensual is considered as lust. Both to the wearer and others, it just dragging people to sin
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there is a balance in which we all can use some common sense, as you imply, I think though it's a matter of the heart. A pastor's wife said this regarding this issue: if your clothes direct people's eyes towards your face, that's modest, but if the clothes you're wearing direct their eyes towards your body, that's sensual. Sensuality is not of the Spirit. Β
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I was looking through the comment and somethings you said offended me and bothered me...like a lot. And I'm a die hard Christian
1. I can whatever I want to wear. I wear whatever I like. Clothes that look good on me. That usually involves a crop top and shorts. Those are the things I feel comfortable in. For things like Church and more appropriate clothing like dresses.
2. If I want to wear men's clothing then I can. Seriously. If I want to wear boxers then I can. Some women don't have body figures for clothing that today's society makes for women. My Sister hates women's clothing. Way to girly for her. So she wear men's clothing. Is she sinning?
3. What's wrong with showing Β some skin. Like my legs, lower back, stomach, arms, I even think Cleavage is okay as along as it's not spilling out everywhere...Besides when that bible verse was written it was when Women had to cover up everything. I would seriously die. I can't stand the feeling of fabric on my arms and legs...
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Hi, Thank you for your comment.
The issue of modesty is something most people don't like to talk about because most of them are offended by the posture some of us take about it.
You say you're a christian? Good, let me ask you a question: regarding this issue (and any other), is the Bible the authority? Is it sufficient? Does it settle the matter for you? Β
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interesting point. I do think everyone can afford decent clothes, maybe not the most trendy, but decent non the less
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How would you have everyone dress?
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it's not for me to decide
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What about those women from the indigenous cultures (in places like South America, Africa, new guinea, and pacific islands) where tribal people were minimal clothing? are they held to the same standard of modesty as we are in the Western World? I have heard many debates about that.
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Hi, good question. No, they don't have to hold to the standars of the West, the Bible principles on modesty however, are not limited to the western world but apply to everyone in every place who follows Jesus. I'm friends with African and Asian believers who understand that modesty is a matter of heart and not of cultural background. Have a happy new year, btw
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Amen!
Modesty is essential indeed.
And there are times I have been called names just because of dressing modestly. Like before I started Sixth Form (highschool as the US would call it), students on the Lower School had to wear uniforms. While a vast majority of girls were wearing short shirts, I wore a longer version of the school skirt. And for that, I've been told by a few that I look like a nun. And on my first year on Sixth Form, a girl saw me wearing a long skirt, and told me to make it look short, and I strictly warned her that I will not do such a thing.
Can you imagine?
My motto on everyday dressing: modern but modest (That doesn't include pants.). And I don't care if I get called a nun, or "old-fashioned" or any other name for dressing modestly.
I mean, why is it that in today's world women end up wearing clothes showing their bellies and chests, wearing short shirts almost showing their behinds (which I hate so bad), dye their hair, and even pierce their bodies anyhow?
Honestly, today's world has gone WAYYYYYY too far.
This worldly fashions we are seeing today, is of the devil and the Bible clearly warns of such. Some examples are:
- Clearly warns about body piercings and tattoos:Β Leviticus 19:28
- That the body is the temple of God:Β 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
- Modesty:Β 1 Peter 3:3-4 Β
- On dressing:Β Deuteronomy 22:5
- On purity:Β 1 Corinthians 6:18
And its really sad that this worldly fashion is even going on in some churches. That ain't right.Β
They are not only disrespecting their bodies, they are disrespecting others around them, they are luring boys/men into lust, and most of all, they are disrespecting God himself.
So LADIES (Even to Christian girls and ladies).... RESPECT YOUR BODIES AND DRESS MODESTLY! PLEASE!
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amen and amen! It's an honor to have your godly comment on my stamp. The Bible is very clear to those who want to do God's will and I know there are many who lack knowledge and don't know better but we can turn to God and seek his face daily in prayer and Bible meditation and He'll guide us and teach us how to please Him and conduct ourselves with wisdom and grace.Β
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I think everyone should be able to dress however they want (however little or as much), both genders. You can't pick and choose what you like in the bible. You say that women shouldn't dress like men but say that pants are ok. Pants IS a male garment to begin with, it wasn't until the 20th century that women started wearing pants.
There are also so many other "rules" in the bible that no one care about.
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
The problem with taking things out of context and from something that you need to see in the culture/time it was written in is that you can't apply everything directly, you need to interpret and see it from our time and place with how society works now.
Now, don't get me wrong, as I said, women and men can dress however they want in my opinion but they should do it because they want to not because someone is forcing them or because someone else is telling them.
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Hi, thank you for your comment. Regarding pants, the thing is whenever their first appearance was, they were and still are womanβs pants. Designed for women to wear, and as such they're good as long as they're modest. I hope you're not saying that I'm
"Picking and choosing what I like in the Bible"
which happens a lot and that's how false teaching begins. That happens when people try to customize Christianity into something it's not and if someone's doing that, he's not a true believer. People who make themselves the center of their theology pervert true Christianity.
The only ones that don't care about those rules are the unbelievers. For the true believer in God, they are not a set of rules but evidence of the character of God and although they had a meaning in their immediate context that doesn't mean we (believers) cannot learn how to please Him by observing them. So if you believe God and walk with Him daily, you begin to understand what those "rules" really mean and see the world through them and not the other way around. Besides, the Bible has more than just rules.
This stamp is directed to believers in Christ, not to unbelievers. They can be their own authority and live as they want but for the christian, the Bible is our final authority. We believe that and are glad about it. We don't think we're being forced to obey God. We do it willingly. It's in our new nature.
I agree, taking scripture out of context leads to confusion and manipulation in the name of religion, but we cannot judge Christianity by the abuse that others (false Christians) do to it.
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On the contrary, when pants were first used by women they were not designed for women - they took the pants from men. Coco Chanel was for example one of the first women wearing pants and later on they were "made for women".
Of course the bible has more than rules, all religious scriptures do, they also have more in common than what separates them. I find religion very fascinating and have read up on several. The problem being how people interpret things and what they want to focus on. The early christians and christians today are miles apart, for example in the beginning it was not ok to paint God or Jesus but (don't remember which year) christians started painting in the catacombs, we also no longer think you should kill someone because of infidelity.
All religions evolve with its followers. For the most part that is good, I mean just look at the medieval times, christianity evolved away from that. No religion or person can't stand still, we evolve every minute, something always change and if not something is wrong. Change is natural. Yes of course the core needs to still be there but no one today can for example follow that you shouldn't wear clothes from more than one fabric, almost all clothes are mix. There are a lot of other things that comes with daily life in our modern society which didn't exist or was a problem back then.
Something to also remember is that a lot of the things in the bible refer to specific events and how to those people should deal with that, thus you cannot directly put it in another similar situation without interpreting first. And everyone interpret everything based on their experiences and knowledge. We can see the same movie or read the same book or look at the same work of art but we will still differ on what we think about it because we have a different experience base. That is why in media communication they have come to the conclusion that nothing anyone says to another person is taken in exactly how the person said it because we interpret. The simple model is Experience of person 1 > person1 give info > noise > person 2 receives the info > person2 interpret info > person2 respond. Noise isn't actual noise, it refers to everything that "distort" the message on the way.
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interesting comment and insights
Exactly, that's my point, they took the pants from men. That's wrong according to the Bible. Remember I said that whenever they appeared as pants for women it's ok
For us Christianity is not defined by society much less by those who oppose it. Our worldview is Biblical so we see society through the Bible. As I said, Christianity can't change nor can be customized. I understand your point in saying that the core beliefs must be preserved and other things can be contextualized, that's ok, there is much space in Christianity to live and move as long as you're pleasing God and understanding His Word.
βChristiansβ who in the past believed that it was ok to kill infidels were not real christians because (again) they customized christianity to justify something Jesus never taught. That is not Christianity.
The same thing happens through history, there are true christians and false ones, in the best case confused people who make man the center of their theology. Not everyone who claims to be a Christian is one. Nothing can be added to Christianity nor can it be subject to revision. Our authority is Christ and His Word.
People interpret things according to their worldview so is understandable that someone whose worldview is not a Biblical one might want to change the way christians are to live out their Christianity.
The commandments in the Law about not wearing clothes made of different fabrics and other like issues, make sense when you study them carefully. For example, the book of Leviticus is a manual for worship and it's mostly related to the tabernacle and the priests, the nation of Israel and the old covenant ritual. The scriptures quoted are ceremonial laws, not for everyone at any time. The scripture in Deuteronomy about excecuting an idolater can be understood in th context of the old covenant. All Israelites entered the covenant in which they accepted to be God's people and would worship no other god. Breaking the covenant was punishable by death. They accepted the terms of the covenant and were accountable for them. In the New Covenant the old ceremonial law was abrogated because Jesus was the fulfillment of the Law. The Church has other ways to relate to those laws, we observe the holy character of God behind them, so as each book in the Bible has it's purpose we are not selectively interpreting Scriptures to our convenience. We study them in their legitimate context and corelate them with cross refferences to get the general message.
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I don't have much to say about your comment, some things I would discuss further but I think I end it here since I have no time for long discussions at the moment. It was interesting discussing with you and some things we agree on and some we disagree but that's life. It's important to accept other people's point of view, feelings and thoughts - they're just as entitled to theirs as you is yours. I think we learn more from our differences than similarities (of all areas in life: religion, politics, thoughts, love) if we just wanted to instead of killing, beating or harassing one another.
Have a great day
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thank you friend,
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I don't see women braid their hair anymore except for little girls.
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that's sad, women with braided hair look nice
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But doesn't that contradict 1Timothy 2:9?Β
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It seems that in the 1st century, some women did that to show their wealth and beauty, but I doubt it has that meaning nowadays
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I just thought braiding was just a hairstyle that was there to look good but had no symbolic meaning of wealth 
Do you also believe that wearing an article of clothing that is made of more than one fabric (e.g cotton and polyester) is wrong? I am referring to Leviticus 19:19
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Apparently it was associated with idolatry at the time it was written. It also is a reminder of how God made separation between species and how He separated Israel from other people to be holy. The idea is separation. The main theme of Leviticus is to be separated from sin and to God. Leviticus 11:45 It's not wrong
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Yes, it ticks me off to see all these girls my age walking around in shorts that don't cover their butts and V-necks down to their stomachs.Β It shows a lack of respect for themselves, the people around them, and most of all, God.
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Thank goodness I'm still ensured I wear concealing clothing at the ripe age of 25!
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You should go to Saudi Arabia, you'd love it there!
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My aperall makes me look masculine at times. Is that a sin?
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nope
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but man didn't even HAVE clothes originally. it's literally just pieces of cloth sewn together. the idea of having gendered clothing is ludicrous
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hello Gabriella, thank you for your comment
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I used to wear this one pair of guy undies when I was little, like age five or so, but not any more.
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lol yeah you didn't know what was happening back then
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haha it's your decision 
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