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the word is *dresses* sorry about that. I saw that mistake after I posted the stamp.1Timothy 2:9 In the same way also, I desire that women adorn themselves in decent clothing, with modesty and sensibleness, not adorned with braiding, or gold, or pearls, or costly clothing,
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Someone for Leafy, the leaf. A person for Leafy chooses whatever clothes they want, but are encouraged fancy clothes with expensive stuff.
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haha I see, like your avatar lol 
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I love this stamp.
Today's society has gone too far, it's time women started dressing more modestly.
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amen, sadly I think we'll see more inmorality in the future. The daughters of God must remember the purity of our Lord because they too mut be imitators of Him
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Thank you. I love modesty as well. You can only have blessings when you live by this principle. God bless you sister
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Could you define your definition of modest? I'm Christian but there are somethings I don't believe to be a big deal or even to God.
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Modesty as it was at the time was wearing a burka.
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Actually it was. If you look at the context of the time. Many women covered themselves. That was modesty since the Roman Empire's women dressed differently than the women of Judea. The Abrahamic religions practiced this until many countries began to embrace secularism and women were no longer mandated to do such a thing. The only countries who still practice this is the Middle East since their governments are Theocracies. That was the reality of the situation.
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Its an Islamic garment and I couldn't careless about what they think is modest or not and it is common knowledge that there were many different people who practiced Christianity in other parts of the world and even in those regions that what they call modest others didn't, whats modest is a matter of opinion and I have my own and I don't care if it isn't theirs or yours.
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Then your god is useless. And Islam is an Abrahamic religion like Christianity and Judaism. The bible was written in that way. If you pick and choose what seems nice and what doesn't. Then you're a hypocrite. The Bible was written in the Middle East, so it's in the context of that culture.
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I know Islam is an Abrahamic religion and I don't care. And I don't care that the bible was written in the middle east. I care about the faith not the culture that some of people had and Christianity was before Islam and their beliefs and ideals came afterwards and I'm not going to follow or believe their ideals because its Abrahamic because its not mine. And I'm only a hypocrite because you're basing stuff off your cognitive bias. The middle eastern culture isn't mine, the bible being written their doesn't mean much of anything because it teachings of Christ not teaching of a culture his teachings was his own not the cultures. You have your opinion of it and I have mine and I believe yours is wrong, especially sense you obviously don't like Christianity and is just saying biased comments based off your disliking of it to suite your disliking. And you obviously think I'm wrong. And I don't see why you care so much, you hate it fine, you see it differently fine. But not everyone hates it and not everyone see it like you do or I do. Yours and my view is no more right than anyone else because its just another
opinion. And no matter how much you say your opinion it'll just be another one like mine and everyone else's.
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Then why follow the bible all the way through?
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Who said I am? There is more stories and poems than things to follow anyway, and a lot of the stuff that are sins I don't even want to do. As for my afterlife I stopped worrying like 11 years ago and I'm 18, what happens, happens, its oh well to me. I see no reason to complain, worry, or be angry about it... Just going to live my life and see if God liked it, let others do what they want with theirs, and overall be chill about it because I'm not an angry person, the world has enough of those.
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Well that's good. Because I really hate the hypocrites who say that follow the bible or are literal but never follow the actual law.
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Thanks, the bible never said follow the whole thing anyway, it was pretty much saying live a fruitful life. And being a Christian we don't follow the os but the ns, they should be thankful Jesus died on the cross for that. And God knew no mortal would be able to follow completely without sinning thats why He asks us to repent, and saying sorry isn't repenting you can easily say that and not mean it. Repent: . To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite. 2. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it. It takes a lot to repent but not much of any effort to simply say sorry. Sorry I went all Jesus Freak right there but those types of people make me mad too.
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It's because I hate how they usually step on people to fit their agenda. And note these people use to defend slavery and fight civil rights.
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Well in biblical speak a slave is any worker, so say you chose a job and love it, you're still a slave because you're a worker, slavery (our definition of it) is gone by those same people who believed it to be wrong. Like the bible does say if a slave leave you aren't to go after them. But they did and they beat then which was also written as wrong. And discriminated them and said those people made in God's image weren't even human. And no offense to white people but slavery brought on by the Europeans was mainly because they saw themselves above all the other races...
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Yeah but The bible has instruction on how to capture foreigners and make them slaves, how to enslave your fellow jew, and how much you can beat them before you can get in trouble.
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Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that, epecially sense it didn't say to only do that Jews, it wasn't discriminating against them, epecially sense they are the the people of the old testement... and "enslave" was choice, beatings they knew about (which was barely anything)... and they could leave if they choose too...
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The choice was either slavery or death. I don't see that as much of a choice. I mean a lot of things in the bible warrant the death penalty.
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I really don't think you understand the os at allβ¦ or do but just want to twist it to suit yourselfβ¦ the times it was (our definition) salvery or death was when kings and pharoahs did so. And Moses one of the most impirtant people of the bible was the person who lead them out of it because God did not encourage or tell people can do what they did. It certainly didn't discriminate against certain people especially not Jews and say they weren't even half human. And for you to act as if does, in their own book no less is nothing but ignorant, offensive, misinterpreted, and messed up. And no not a lot of things had the death penalty but some did but talk as if was anything you do. And you keep trying to put old testament sins Christianity when those aren't sins to us unless broght upon to us as one in the new testament.β¦
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Here are things that warrant the death penalty in the bible.
Touching a dad pig, Working on a Saturday, Eating Shellfish, Wearing clothing of two different materials, homosexuality, not being a virgin before marriage for women, disobeying your parents, and so on. Also Old Testament law still applies since jesus says that the old law must be followed in Mark 5:17-19. You know what? Read your bible cover to cover to see how evil the book really is. Because it looks like you have not read it. Just a few pieces here and there but not the whole thing.
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Yeah its only evil because you say so, right? And no the os doesn't apply you're just saying so because you want to have something to complain about.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Galations 3:23-25 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
The only one obviously not reading it is you, and if actually are, which I bet you're not you're just choosing certain parts that you would like to lie about just to suit your bias, its not going to work.
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But then those versus make it worse. Because Yahweh created a loophole. In order to not have to go through those impossible standards. He sacrificed himself to himself and all you have to do is believe these logically impossible book to get in. Meaning that if a good person doesn't believe, they go to heaven while a murdering rapist can go to heaven by just having faith? How is that fair? How is that moral?
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If you really believe that than you're full it because God talked of fulfilling His will which is going by the book and I can quote a verse that says people like that are going to Hell⦠=.= and that those things are wrong and He said repent and if someone does those things they obviously aren't. So no you don't simply believe and get to Heaven, and you can believe in Him and not give a damn about Him.
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Actually Apostasy is the one unforgivable sin according to your theology. Not rape or murder but Apostasy. And you just said that you don't go by the book. Your god isn't moral. He's petty, vain, and childish. He killed millions because they simply didn't worship him. They believed but they didn't worship. And he treated children as simply collateral damage. How can an all loving, all powerful, and all knowing god let evil happen? If he can't stop it then he's not all powerful, but if he lets it happen then he's not all loving. Do you even know how your religion even started. The fact that Yahweh was originally the god of war of the Canaanite religion. The fact that It was merely a tribal religion. When someone points out the bad stuff about your religion you say that it's taken out of context. I'm sorry but there is no grand context that makes slavery, rape, and genocide okay. And what about the good things like love thy neighbor or shou shall not commit adultery? Those things were taken out of context. Love thy neighbor was just about Jews loving other Jews. Everyone else was fair game. And adultery was about men stealing other men's wives. Men could still be with other women. Not everything god does is okay. Because I'm more intelligent and I'm bigger than an ant. But when I squish it, it doesn't make me less of an ass because I'm all that. And what's wrong with you? Telling people that they deserve hell. You really think people will like you when you threaten them like that. How about the fact that other religions can say the same thing about you and how you deserve eternal torment for not believing in their deities.
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You don't simply sin and its forgiven, if it was like that it wouldn't really be a sin would it? God wouldn't have said repent either, and Hell is His anger, what makes Him angry, oh yeah unrepenting sin, you choose what you do⦠And your stuff was obviously taken out of context, even some other Atheist would agree because some are smart enough not to use cognitive bias and act like its a fact but actually go by the book and Judism ideals, Jewish history, and history of the early documented world, when I told you this or that even shown you bible verses and common sense of Judism and Christianity you dropped it and didn't correct me and just brought up something else, because there was nothing taken out of context. And if I really said no you're just taking it all out of context I would have said the old testament didn't supported the death penalty, something I don't like and say other things I don't like, I would of said no his lying the old testament never said that. And you're obviously lying about more than half the stuff you're saying, jew this and jew that and doing it again, wow⦠with that love thy neighbor verse something in the new testament that last time I checked the Jews don't even believe in. 
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First of all I don't attack Abrahamics but I criticize their religion. And I never mentioned Islam even though I think it's full of shit. My problem with you and your religion is that you seem to think that you're a true Christian but you're not since you don't follow everything and you pick and choose. But when you tell people that they're going to hell because they don't believe what you believe, that's a threat. And even though I never believed in hell even as a christian, the intent is there. Just like when someone gives me a bible because they want me to be saved, I take it as a compliment because even though I don't believe it, their intentions are good. But when I talked about veils in Semetic tradition, that's because the reality even pre-judaism. But your bible still says that the most unforgivable sin is Apostasy. All sins will be forgiven except not believing. And the sins they include are beyond stupid. Such minor and petty things deserve hell as much as murder. If your god thought the message was so important for humanity, Then why did he just tell a small group of middle eastern sheep herders to right and depend on translations of translations and copies, and then have the balls to take this all on faith. If there was actual evidence for this deity, there wouldn't be need for faith. But that doesn't change the fact that the god you worship was originally a pagan god of war. And don't tell me that you worship Jesus because it implies that you know lord Yahweh was evil. But I want you you to answer This. Do you think everything god does is good? Do you think genocide is okay as long as god commands it? And would you feel the same way if someone tried to kill you and their justification is that their god commanded them? And lastly, why are other religions wrong?
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Yes I believe God is and does good, He gives grace, salvation, and is sinless. And God wouldn't ask me to kill anyone its against His 10 commandments. That Christians still go by because: 1 John 5:3 ...'For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." And like any normal peron with a war ahead of them, I would stick up for myself. ( Do I need to the verse thats okay?) Probably do so here : Ecclesiastes: " a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for piece." ( Do I also need to quote all the verses of God warning and telling people to protect themselves?) And why I believe my faith is right and others wrong? Because it branched off Judism which been proven to be in the top three oldest faiths in the world, sure has a lot of evidence compared to others, the most inspiring if the world, and is actually not based off race. Why don't you answer my questions like I have yours?
So I'm not a true Christian? According to who, you? A complqining Atheist who whines about Christianity and is nowhere near the God of it, and is complaining over stuff that has nothing to to with him, hence being an Atheist, or am I one according to the bible becuase I believe in it and God, try my best to not sin, repent if I do, and worship Him through Christ Jesus? Romans 8:9 : You however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him." His spirit dwells in me and always will. Romans 10:9-10 " because if you confess with His mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For the heart one believes and is justified and with mouthone confesses and is saved." John 1:12 " But to all who did recieve Him, who believed in His name, He gave the right to becoke Childrenvof God." So who has the right to who is and isn't a true Christian and it be true, Him or you? I'm pretty sure the choice is so obvious but sense a lot of other obvious things you've had no idea about, I'll tell you it's Him. 
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Okay just because the religion is very old doesn't make it any more real because there are other older religions. Also do you know why Christianity is a target of criticism. Because your fellow Christians try to get in government and legislate morality into our laws. But veils did exist before Islam and women were to be covered. And the fact that bible doesn't even come close to condemning slavery or the fact that Yahweh sent for the slaughter of people including children. Your god's morality is arbitrary since if he says it's moral it becomes it. Why is that moral? But I've had enough. You have proven to me that you are beyond hope that you would actually make excuses for an immoral character.
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Wow, I haven't logged in for over two weeks just to notice you didn't respond, thank you for silently admitting you're full of shit and was called on it.
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No. I was tired of talking to you because I can't convince you on this. You have Stockholm syndrome and that can't be cured when you've been indoctrinated.
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That's a damn lie, and a blatantly obvious one, but hey you're a blatantly obvious liar and you know it, maybe not the blatantly obvious part but you know you're a liar, you didn't even back up a damn thing you said and skipped 99% of the things asked and told to you. And some of your lies were on things that were common sense, and yes you were tired because you were constantly being called on your bs, and it got you exhausted. And no you won't convince me or anyone of that pathetic dumbassery.
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You have proven how much bs you are full of sense you didn't answer any of my questions as I did yours and didn't back up anything you've said then and now⦠pathetic.
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Thank you for your comment!
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Thank you for replying. I don't think wearing makeup, pants, or jewelery is wrong either, but I do agree with there being too much. The bible pretty much says that what really should be covered is a persons genitalia because that's how Adam and Eve covered themselves. I'm not saying go around half naked but it says if a person looks at another lustfully it is their sin not that persons unless they purposely wanted that to happen, many people also believe that the bible tells women to cover their head and bodies like Muslim women but that's obviously is untrue sense the bible says a woman with long hair should be glorified how could you glorify hair you don't see and why would the bible warn against looking at someones whose whole body was covered lustfully if it was being obvious that skin would be showing?
Some people make a big deal out a women's stomach being shown or the shorts shes wearing even if its really nothing. Do you think God would care about what some would think small things like that? I really don't sense the bible doesn't make a persons body out to be nothing but sexual. Whats your opinion on modesty in the eyes of God?
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I'll say what modesty is not:
Some scriptures:
1 Timothy 2:9
likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,
(braided hair: I think we should look for the word in the original language)
Jude 1:4
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality...
So by looking at the scriptures above we see that sensuality (which is the opposite of modesty) is:
lack of self-control
not a respectable apparel
ungodly
a pervertion of God's grace
a denial of Jesus lordship
an evident work of the flesh
The hair IS the glory of women, I don't see why they should cover it.
God bless you greatly!
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That I can agree with, I really think ordinary clothes are fine but not things that would be disrespectful toward God, that should seem like a no brainer to people.
And yeah a lot of times people should put deeper meaning in what the bible says and the original language and not simplify it, like it says a woman shouldn't cut her but really it was talking about a women shouldn't completely shave her head, not a normal hair cut, and if she has done so like that than she should cover her head when praying. And when it talks about woman having to have her head covered, I think it was obvious it was talking about her hair. XD People who don't believe in God purposely misinterpret that so much to try and make it seem like a normal everyday thing is a sin.
The human body is one of God's vast canvas that is open for painting now but will be critiqued later, its beautiful and should be respected.
Thank you for your feedback.
May God bless you as well, I'm sure he will.
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I have a few expensive things,but i mostly wear hoodies,t-shirts,and jeans.haha,describes me perfectly
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lol, I see, that's great
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shouldn't both genders dress modesty ?
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yes
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Not religious but glad you believe both parties should be treated the same
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yes, I believe that. God want's men and women to be responsable and not to make each other stumble
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I agree wholeheartedly. No matter how unfair people think dress codes are, they can actually save your life more than ruining it, because covering your body in an efficient manner that requires concealing certain parts of the body besides just a certain percentage of it can help others treat you extra super nicely, which is the best treatment to truly deserve! Thank goodness I'm innocent enough to constantly abide by dress codes, especially since I still live with my parents and require constant supervision! Thank goodness for equal treatment! More is better, as in More body coverage is better for more women, so the world will be a happier place to live!
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