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Actually...hear me out. I don't support Nazism. At all. But what they were doing makes logical sense from an atheistic world view. They wanted to find a way to improve man kind, and that base idea itself is fair. The problem is the means they took to achieve the end.
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"But what they were doing makes logical sense from an atheistic world view."
A high-five to atheism, then.
I think when you consider what they actually did, their intentions are completely irrelevant.
"Some of the worst things imaginable are done with the best intentions."
-Dr. Allen Grant
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...Damn you and your use of Jurassic Park quotes. How can I possibly argue with that?
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Aaaaactually you can.
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It's not fair to simply call the intentions irrelevant. Purity of intention confers morality on our deeds, thanks to Kant and his categorical imperative.
Basically, for better or for worse, we make decisions on what to do based on what we know and what we don't know. What we then think is right will make us decide what to do in order to furthat that right-ness, I guess.
So, intentions are pretty key, especially when you consider what anyone actually does, because it adds the context necessary to figure out what the goal was.
Logic isn't nice. But it isn't mean either. It sees the end goal desired and the means to achieve it, and the decision to undertake these means over those is definitely linked to intention.
Doing bad things with good intentions, or doing good things with bad intentions, these do make a difference. If, in relation to this picture, you have knowledge of someone's condition. Your knowledge might be wrong but you aren't to know, all you KNOW is you have this knowledge.
You decide to help them, and you intend to see them overcome this condition that you know they have. You don't have to be nice about it. You COULD be, sure, and maybe that'd make you a super duper nice person.
But let's say the very mean option allows you to do far more toward the end-goal in the same time-span, which is to see this person healed. I'd say that counts as pure intention. You don't have to be nice to do good things.
Note: Not even relating this to hitler and the jewish kids. I refuse to even go there simply because it's a minefield, deliberately pulled out to hamper any notion of dissent. Personally, I see pulling out hitler/nazi comparisons as an attempt at censorship, but that's just me.
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Does this guys intentions really look good? Look at that ponies face. Just look at it.
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They looked bored and pissed off.
Who knows why they're bored and/or pissed off.
You don't have to be a nice person to have a good heart, or have well-meaning intentions. Just how you don't have to be rude or crude or angry to be a bad person. Lots of really nice people are often quite rotten at the core.
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Well if you look through the rest of the arc they haven't done anything to suggest they are good at heart.
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Alright
Yes that's true
Still doesn't really mean they're not. I mean in that same arc it's not like she's been outright tortured, or cruelly tested on and such.
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It's a lot simpler than that. When you're doing heinous things to other people in the name of science, you're not doing a good thing. There's not much more to it. The fact that the majority of people believe this stops the crazies from performing cutting open children with cancer to find out what causes it.
In the end, even I can't debate with people that are what I like to call "the Far Gone". People who are so far off the political spectrum, like crazy communists and nazis, are of no use talking to.
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It's more about what people don't yet know. That's what makes experimentation necessary, and what makes people stick to things that atleast provide some kind of right-direction result.
But hey if you're too dogmatic to even discuss anything even remotely sensitive then whatever. Stay in the dark.
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I'm too empathetic to the lives of millions of innocent people egregiously taken to be open to any discussion about any rationalization or justification of immoral experiments. End of story.
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Oh this isn't about justifying or rationalizing them. It's about accepting that whatever was done was not done with intention to cause pain and suffering. It was done for logical and reason-based reasons.
I'm not one to ever decry the positives of empathy but it really can get in the way of thinking about some very basic truths and accepting what that means when other, less extreme situations are concerned. It causes polarized thought, dogmatic beliefs and in severe cases, zealotry.
I'm basically suggesting that your extreme reliance on empathy has left you irrational and overreactive, when your views on the morality or unjust nature of those acts hasn't actually been opposed in the slightest.
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I give up. I've already explained to you how their intentions do not lessen the reality of the horrors they bring. Perhaps being tortured could change your mind.
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Noone has claimed that they do lol.
That's what I mean. Your zealotry has stopped you from even considering anything related to anything that was done could be anything other than irrational hatred and malice.
You're not thinking about it rationally, you're allowing your feelings on the matter to make you disproportionately enraged and defending yourself against attacks that aren't happening.
Noone is disagreeing with you on anything you've stated so far. Noone has said anything even remotely suggesting that torturing young jewish children is anything other than abhorrent.
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Detective Arcane"Deadalus" Shadow:
* Uses a Xyngese nerve knockout spell to the Earth Pony*
*points Colt hoof revolver (the barrel tipped with a sound suppression device) on the back of the doctors head*
Your friend here will be incapacitated for at least an hour. You will let the mare leave with me so I don't have to pull the trigger.
doctor: Just who do you think you are we were in the middle of treating this patient!
Detective Shadow: I think I am the Inventor of both Smokeless Gun Powder and of the Fire Arm Sound Suppressor. Know listen here a weapon fitted with both of those pointed directly at the back of your skull. I was hired to escort Miss Screw out of the premises so I suggest you let me do so.
doctor: You can't get away with this, you will be..
Detective Shadow: Nothing. It would be easy to dispose of the evidence, not to mention make all records of your existence disappear. Miss Screw can you move?
Screw Loose: Ye-s-s-s-s-s-s than-k-k-k yo-uu.
Detective Shadow: Good, come here.
Screw Loose: *trots to the detectives side*
*Uses Xyngese knockout spell on the doctor*
A sly smile appears on the detectives face. Shadow and Screw Loose walk out of the padded room, afterwards he closed the steel door behind him and used a flame spell to weld the door shut.
Detective Shadow: Let's leave.
They both trot to the front desk were an undercover Nurse Redheart was waiting for them.
Nurse Redheart: I am guessing she's the one.
Detective Shadow: Yeah.
Nurse Redheart: Did you have to brag about your patent's?
Detective Shadow: You have a point.
Half an hour later and a strangely quiet, three hour train ride to Ponyville plus a five minute trot to the front of a familiar house. Shadow, Redheart and Screw Loose stand in front of the door, Shadow moves in to knock and is stopped by Doctor Sun Stable opening the door for them.
Detective Shadow: Sun, perfect she is Miss Scre-.
Screw Lose gallops towards Doctor Sun Stable embracing him in a warm long overdue hug and of course Miss Screw is dry it's thanks to a dry spell from Shadow done before entering the train something about the conductor not letting a wet filly in.
Doctor Sun Stable: I can't thank you enough.
Detective Shadow: Watt are friends for? Plus you should't thank me yet, not until I clean the records of her being there.
Doctor Sun: Okay, do you want to come in?
Redheart and Shadow walk in with Stable and Screew loose. The evening was passed drinking tea and in the case of Shadow a Gin and tonic from the Globe Bar in Doctor stables living room. Nothing better than reminiscing with old friends right?
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Screw Loose: Ye-s-s-s-s-s-s than-k-k-k yo-uu.
SHE CAN SPEAK?!
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By the flaming teats of Celestia I thought no ONE was ever going to reply to that! (I was trying to convey that it was really hard, but I wrote this in a fit of anger so cut me so slack will you?)
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Oh man, I've been in a mental institution, I know it's not like this, but it can sure feel that way at times.
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this reminds me of the film/program 28 weeks later where the woman is a carrier to a virus, but she is treading like an object rather than a human being.
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>:C she is my fav pony stop that
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That doctor is extremely lucky that my OC hasn't heard about this, or at least he doesn't know that he knows. My OC is a wolf (not a timber wolf just a normal northern wolf, somewhat normal anyway) who holds honor and virtue very highly, and one of his pack/clan's biggest rules is that ladies (or mares in this case) are to treated very well and protected, and anyone who breaks that rule will suffer the consequences for their actions. Let's just say that that doctor and his lacky are gonna get what's coming to them. *maniacal laughter*
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From their point of view their treating the symptoms of an illness.
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Well they're not treating her like a person, um I mean pony. And that's just not right.
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And even if this is true, you're all powerful OC would have still broken the law. He is tracked down and eventually found. Then he dies in a Royal Guard raid. The end.
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You'd be suprised just how powerful he really is. I've developed him quite well. He's actually not from Equestria, but that's be revealed in the fanfic I'm working on. In Equestria he's a wolf, but not just any kind of wolf. He's known as a storm wolf. A very, very, ancient race that is able to control and wield the elements quite easily. And he has a huge (that's putting it mildly) array of skills and abilities he has aquired in his lifetime. He's also over 500 years old, though he only looks to be about 20-21 or so. And the Royal Guard, ha, don't make me laugh! Basicly all together he's as smart if not smarter than Batman, able to come many plans and backup plans very quickly. His skill and power level (or whatever) is like if Superman meets Captain Yamamoto from Bleach, like in sheer number of skills and abilities. Normal guards and such could never hope in ten thousand years to take him down. He's also has a unbending code of honor he lives by. In simple terms it says to protect those who cannot protect themselves and punish those who would harm the innocent. It's actually a little more complicated then that, but that's the simple version.
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Actually, no. I'm not surprised by how powerful he is. At all. From the moment you mentioned that your OC would save the day, a little red flag went up.
Move along, little ponies. Staying too long in the presence of a marry sue is bad for the brain.
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First marry sue?
Second my OC is kind of like Batman meats the Punisher when it comes to mentality. He doesn't really like to kill anyone (or anything for that matter), but he will when he has to. Though thinking about how I've developed him he'd most likely put those bad ponies into a illouision that shows them what he'll do to them if they keep going about their bad corse in life and say something like "Got the picture?".
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Wow you took SOOOO long to message back. That's really weird.
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Congratulations! You get a triple Twilight face hoof.
I'm going to point out each failure in order of epicness, the most epic failure first, and the lest so last.
So let's start with the most obvious thing you did wrong in that post, "Batman meets the Punisher". Both are edgy, dark vigilantes, but there personalities are almost polar opposite. Batman would NEVER kill EVER, but the Punisher just doesn't give a crap about his body count (Which is somewhere close to the US national debt). Batman won't even touch a fire arm, but the Punisher is a walking armory of ballistic based projectile weapons. Batman wants justice and order in the world through the system of law (he's an enforcer), but the Punisher wants justice and order by quickly and brutally destroying those who oppose law (he's judge, jury, and executioner). Bats and Punisher are like oil and water. Try to combine them into one character, and you're gonna have a bad time.
The second thing you clearly botched, is your OC a thug or a hero? He looks more like a "do what I say or else" brute as opposed to the shinning paragon of goodness you seem to think of him as. To quote you, "...he'd most likely put those bad ponies into a illouision that shows them what he'll do to them if they keep going about their bad corse in life..." Does that sound like a hero with the greater good in mind, or someone who lords over the weak on a whim based on his own idea of justice?
And the third thing you failed at, don't try and make characters if you aren't familiar with the term "Mary Sue". They are characters with either ridiculous amounts of power, little to no personality, or both. From what I've seem, your OC falls into the third category.
And to sum all this up in TL;DR format: Your character is bad and you should feel bad.
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First, STHU.
Look dude all I was saying about my OC was that he doesn't like to kill people, but he has his limits to what he'll put up with. If you couldn't figure that out, then whan does that say about you? And the thing is he's not perfect and I never said he was. Another thing is he's been through a HELL of a lot of bad things in his 500 years, so you should be able to forgive the fact that he kills really evil things. He has something similar to a 3 strike kind of thing. In the past he's let the bad guy go after defeating him only to have that same villain come back again like nothing happened. So he's not exactally looking forward to the next bad guy, who will most likely do the same thing. That's why he sometimes just kill the bad guy. It also depends on the level of what they were doing wrong. If a guy trys to mugs someone, he'll just throw a few punchs and take the guy down. But if they're doing very horrible things to people/ponies then he won't be nearly as merciful. And also he doesn't fight women. He'll stop them but not fight them in any way. It's a thing with his family/clan.
Also he fights to protect his family, loved ones, and his people, and in their world the bad guys a regulary waging war on his people. He actually fights so hard so that his children and their children don't have to go through all of what he has. And think of having that paragon of goodness pretty much go through hell. Have him/her go into battles where they see a lot of friends, comrades, and their people die. Let's see how his outlook on life is. My OC is by no means emo or anything, but rather damaged and scarred by all the horrible stuff he's gone through. He even has an ability to soak up the mental scarring of his men or their PTSD, which in turn causes him to break down sometimes. That's what makes him a good character. He is a paragon of virtue and honor, but he's been through hell and back basicly. Also before I forget, the latest war he and his people are fighting has gone on and off for 100 or so years.
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Wow. Opening an argument with a direct insult. Sarcasm in an argument can keep things fresh, but an attack like that? Good job making yourself look mature.
What makes a good character a good character isn't a matter of how powerful they are or what they do to help others. Good characters are made with development, thought and effort. Just throwing a bunch of powers together and saying he uses them for good is not a good character. It's actually a sign of a poor character. And from everything I've seen, this is indeed a poor character. He just seems more boring and over powered the more you talk about him.
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Sorry, I wasn't having a great start to the day. Actually I've developed my OC bit by bit over the past 5-7 years. He really just started when a friend of mine and I were thinking of who'd we be in these two animes we like, it just started out like that and I grew him into a more developed character. And with that I know it'd take way to long to explain everything about him.
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo some pony helppppppppppppp herrr i know lets get princess luna
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I would use myself as a shield to keep the water from Hitting Screwloose.
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OH CELESTIA, THEY'RE CRUEL.
i would seriously do so much to save her from this
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its almost better that there's no explanation for any of these, the art tells you everything
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they do say "a picture is worth a thousand words".
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This is not how you treat patients in a mental institution! What happened to the Hippocratic Code?
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Such treatments were common ages ago. Psychiatric care was.... primitive. Some of the doctor's notions were as addled as the patients themselves; like the idea you could make someone "snap out of it" by hosing them down with cold water--- or dunking them in ice-- or administering beatings and electric shocks.
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Thank goodness such idiocy had been moderated (at best) by actual professional understanding of the disorders and tonnes of regulations since, huh?
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Calling it idiocy feels like it downplays the inhuman attitude doctors once took to the mentally ill.
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Hah. Believe me, the notion of actually FOLLOWING the Hippocratic Oath is a very, VERY recent invention in the mental health care industry.
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not just in mental health care industry, but in the whole health industry.
Well they DO follow the first layer of it to take care of their own (pocket) health ...
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