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I want to ask you all a question, all in all it's a very simple question, but firs I want to develop some background to my curiosity.I've spent the majority of my life without meaningful female company, no idea why, and it doesn't matter since that isn't the issue. Now, I've been told I'm a nice guy, and I like to think that's true, kind, caring, considerate, sensitive, affectionate, etc blah blah blah. But still, girls have passed me up for other men, now fine, that's their choice entirely, I don't begrudge them that, and frankly these days I don't care. But I've seen it happen to other guys, my friends sometimes, nice enough blokes, caring, kind bleeeeh, you get the idea. But through all that I notice a recurring theme, so I did some digging, trawled places on the internet that are best left buried under the piles of refuse they were created in, and found that this theme presented itself almost universally, in a large majority of females, not simply XX chromosome "females" but those who chose to live their life in that manner as well. I spoke to plenty of people, got their opinions, asked those who exhibited this pattern and those that didn't and simply could not reach a consensus.
So now I put the query to you my mature watchers. The pattern I see is this. Majoratively in logical speculation, pop media and literary essays, many romantic involvements revolve around the stereotypical "nice-guy" shy, timid, kind, blah-dy-blah, and you would think that a woman would prefer the company of a man like that wouldn't you? If any of my female watchers disagree please let me know. Yet this theme, this pattern i've been seeing, despite romantic comedies, novels, etc, women, girls, ladies, all tend to blow off the guy that would be kind to them, get them flowers, ask them how their day was while running them a relaxing bath and cooking dinner, instead they immediately pick up on the "bad-boy" the arrogant, aggressive, chauvinistic, dangerous, irresponsible, etc. so my question is this. Why?
Why is this attractive? Where is the appeal in a man who, instead of respecting you and being kind to you, will use and abuse you like a fleshlight then throw you away when he can't be bothered to clean you out? (Sorry, let that analogy get away from me) You see my point? There are plenty of nice guys out there, I should know, I've met plenty, so it's obviously not lack of choice. Now, reading, looking and talking, I have come across a few theories.
1. Instinct, maybe it dates back to survival of the fittest, the strongest man is the most viable mate, etc, that's possible, retarded, but possible. It is true that a strong man would, in theory produce strong offspring. But surely, being "Sapient" implies that we have the capacity to rise above our instinctive desires and drives? Besides, being loud and violent doesn't necessarily make you strong, I good friend of mine, an Irishman called Stirling, huge guy, built like a brick chimney and also one of the nicest guys you'll meet, very strong physically but he actually respected women and somehow that made him weak? I don't see it.
2. "I can change him" This is just plain retarded, honestly? You date a guy who treats you like shit, despite alll his other girlfriends, because you think that YOU, finally, might make him a decent man? There are decent guys lining up outside and you chose to force a bastard into becoming one? Are you a masochist? Seriously you'd be more sensible if you lived in New York, wanted to go to Rome, and BUILT YOURSELF A PLANE OUT OF CARDBOARD! At least then you have a single hope in hell of succeeding!
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Ok, here I'm going to put in a few theories put forward by ~alucard10w, and I'm putting it here because the first theory relates to the "I can change him" theory. And that relating theory is that there ARE quite a few nice guys out there, and that makes us boring. Yep, that's right guys, we're boring. If guys are kind and respectful to you all your life then yeah, when a bastard springs up out of nowhere then yes it will seem new and exciting and daring! (Gasp shock horror) But seriously, that's just a blatant depart from common sense, you said it yourself, there are nice guys everywhere so pick one!
The second theory presented by ~alucard10w is that of the world. Many people may see niceness, kindness, respect and shyness as childish naive behaviour because children are like that... well, some are and that aggressive, hard-bitten and bitter bastards are somehow worldly and mature. No, they are actually pretty childish, "Honey eat your food" "NO! Don't wanna!" oh he's such a rebel, he lives by his own rules... yyyyeeeeaaaahhhhh.... no. Look, I'm not the nicest person alive, I used to be a naive little boy, dreaming of love, marriage, 3 kids and a dog, then i turned into a teenage asshole, and now I'm a 20 year old guy who respects women, is nice to people and actually has a conscience but retains a certain bitterness and obsession with firearms. My point is you don't have to be a fuck-tard to be mature.
Now this is a theory of my own, although ~alucard10w did remind me of it, thanks for that mate. It's this. The "Daddy Complex" (cue dun dun daaa music) Yup, I'm going there. Admittedly this may not count as an individual theory, since it requires one of the previous to create the absentee/abusive/alcoholic/whatever father in the first place but you get the idea. So a girl is mistreated by whatever vices her father has and that naturally screws her up, so when she meets a man her age with these hang ups (or older, younger, whatever) and tries to cultivate a relationship, craving his attention and acceptance in a pseudo-delusional attempt to find that same affection and acceptance in her own father by emulating him precariously and unhealthily through her lover. I won't even dignify this theory with an opinion but on a serious note, these girls need psychiatric help.
Ok, another theory put out there by ~mouseluva presents the possibility of "We accept the love we think we deserve" Inadvertently implying that women who like bad boys ARE masochists, entirely possible, if we thinks we deserve something then we tend to accept it at face value, but if we believe something is too good for us then we automatically, and sometimes subconsciously, try to find the angle, bribe, whatever that got us here in the first place, when we don't find it, we then sabotage said thing for the simple fact that we don't think we're good enough. But the oposite is also true, if we think we deserve punishment or something that is inherently damaging then we will try our hardest, consciously and subconsciously to prolong it, even going as far as to convince ourselves that things aren't as bad as they seem while you sit alone on a sunday night reading a text from your man telling you he won't be back til tomorrow morning because he's "Out with the guys" Which any guy can tell you is very thinly veiled "I'm boning another woman" so yeah, masochistic on the subconscious level.
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3. The social factor. Don't deny it, the media hypes up "bad-boys" like they're going out of fashion, even though the same thing has been going on since the 50s. Sure, they've changed their style but movies are always emphasising the love between a dark, mysterious, and dangerous guy and the sweet, young, idealistic girl. Just no. This is as bad is the whole "Size Zero" craze, at least that mostly got shot down in its infancy.
And finally 4. Divine intervention. Because that's ALL I have. I can't understand it, and that irritates me (yes I HAVE to understand everything)
So, ladies and gents out there, please, give me your input, do you disagree? Agree? Why? Do you even by some miracle have a definitive answer? Or even just an idea I didn't think of? I want to hear your thoughts.
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crystaldragonwish [2014-06-03 23:30:35 +0000 UTC]
1 Girls could see the person as a challenge. Like, "That boy doesn't like me? Fuck, I'll MAKE him like me."
2 It's interesting. When you're attracted to bad boys, chances are the people aren't thinking much about the future. Lot of people just want the excitement.
3 And now I will go on an anime theory, that girls see the bad boys as hurt. When you see some antisocial jerk, I believe society tells you that everybody has problems and that you should feel bad for those people. So perhaps people sympathize with them, thinking, "oh, the poor thing! he must have a really tragic past." and others try to get to them, to help them, but really the people might not even need healing, they just think people are idiots except for them or whatever.
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Niteshifter In reply to crystaldragonwish [2014-06-04 00:36:59 +0000 UTC]
I operate under a logical mindset, none of those points, while I believe you're probably right, are logical, so as far as I'm concerned attraction to "bad boys" is idiotic.
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crystaldragonwish In reply to Niteshifter [2014-06-04 01:02:04 +0000 UTC]
It would seem that way, but apparently girls think it ain't. To me, if they're happy, I'm okay with that.
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Niteshifter In reply to crystaldragonwish [2014-06-04 03:40:57 +0000 UTC]
That's my point though, they're invariably unhappy.
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crystaldragonwish In reply to Niteshifter [2014-06-06 01:25:42 +0000 UTC]
the world is stupid, so we're like, primitive protozoan. In my opinion, I like "bad boys," but only as characters. XD
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Niteshifter In reply to crystaldragonwish [2014-06-06 05:13:35 +0000 UTC]
xD I'm not really a "bad boy" I'm just an antisocial sociopath.
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crystaldragonwish In reply to Niteshifter [2014-06-07 01:17:33 +0000 UTC]
Well if you're havin "girl problems," the antisocial thing might be why. I have no idea how girls view sociopaths, though. :I
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Niteshifter In reply to crystaldragonwish [2014-06-07 05:38:09 +0000 UTC]
Nah I've given up on the opposite sex for the most part I'm comfortable with my own life and sharing isn't a priority.
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crystaldragonwish In reply to Niteshifter [2014-06-07 14:58:10 +0000 UTC]
you're lucky your parents aren't bugging you about that.
I constantly tell them that I don't want a family, and every single time I tell them they either disregard my opinion, or say "the people who don't want to get married are the people who get married first" something like that.
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Niteshifter In reply to crystaldragonwish [2014-06-08 18:23:19 +0000 UTC]
My parents have pretty much had to accept that I'm a loner by nature
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crystaldragonwish In reply to Niteshifter [2014-06-08 21:43:34 +0000 UTC]
well that's good I guess
I just kinda found out yesterday that my dad's a real lazy sexist bumbutt
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Niteshifter In reply to crystaldragonwish [2014-06-09 13:37:21 +0000 UTC]
Well that sounds awkward
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crystaldragonwish In reply to Niteshifter [2014-06-10 05:05:30 +0000 UTC]
I told my mom that he was sexist after he said something really sexist and my mom said to me, "yeah, I know he is."
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Niteshifter In reply to crystaldragonwish [2014-06-10 09:08:37 +0000 UTC]
well that's concerning
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Gregorach1976 [2013-02-19 04:34:27 +0000 UTC]
Ok so. #1. You can be a survival of the fittest kinda guy with out being an arrogant, aggressive, chauvinistic, dangerous, irresponsible, etc. cock sucker. Don't believe me? Ask my wife. I was like you. And was inactive in dating for 15 years.
and #2. She was also patient. She waited for me to come along for 3 or 4 years. Also inactive in dating. She has never suggested changing me. In fact she is the one that started changing first. Now in truth I too have changed. But that's the nature of a relationship. You both influence each other. She loves the fact that i keep a gun in the house and intend on protecting her and what ever the Most High God has given us (but that's another discussion).
She loves the fact that I am into survival and preparation. She loves the fact that i am into my heritage and all things ancient. She also knows that I am a former pagan and she did not flee from me. She knows that I am a Pentecostal Christian even though she is not and still she excepts me as I am.
Now what happened after that is still in the writing.
Now for you. If it's something you want, Look into yourself and see what can be hindering you from said relationship. I didn't have too. I sold my x-box to purchase guns for protection (as I live in a crazy neighborhood) and when I was no longer a gamer she showed up. I mean I had never met her before I sold my system. With in 3 months after selling my game system she showed up. That was hindering me even though I did not know it.
Think about it man. It could be something as small as that. She also loves the fact that I can read runes even though she cannot.
So. Having said all that. That is where I stand on this matter.
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Niteshifter In reply to Gregorach1976 [2013-02-19 04:55:30 +0000 UTC]
Well first up I'd like to thank you for taking the time to read through and answer my post, means a lot to see people are still capable of independent thought.
For the record I now have a committed relationship with a wonderful girl so that has influenced my opinions since writing the original post.
I agree, you can indeed be worldly, survivalist and capable without being an ass, though men like that tend to be distinct loner-types, no offense, and that's not a bad thing, but it doesn't really relate to my question which was more of a cultural query.
Indeed, my girlfriend isn't keen on guns themselves, she says they're boring and lack a certain skill, and I have to say, once you reach your skill ceiling with a gun there isn't much else to do but practice now and then to keep your eye it. Bows on the other hand she likes and I have since taken up archery, which is in itself fulfilling and interesting.
Acceptance is, to be sure, a cornerstone of a successful relationship. You'll have to forgive me though, I haven't heard of the Pentacostal branch of christianity so can't really make any particular comments on such. As I remember someone saying, probably in a movie, "You can't know where you're going if you don't know where you're coming from." heritage, of your own variety and of humanity as a whole I feel is very important.
I actually met my girl here, on dA, she read through some of my stuff, including this (her username is mouseluva and actually suggested one of the theories) and we got to talking and it developed from there, we actually have gaming in common which I am grateful for.
Thank you again for your opinion, it was nice to see a mature response and thought provoking comments.
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Gregorach1976 In reply to Niteshifter [2013-02-19 05:12:46 +0000 UTC]
Pentecostal Christianity is the part of the Church that operates in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. That's the main difference in the denomination. The differences are mook points really. That's why my wife and I can get along. We both believe the basic truth of the gospel.
I'm happy to hear about you and your Lassie. that does my heart good to hear. Congrats.
And you're right. We are loner in particular. As am I. But God's grace gave me a woman that agrees with me on many of those issues.
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Niteshifter In reply to Gregorach1976 [2013-02-19 18:26:53 +0000 UTC]
I see, I can't say I know what the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit" are either but if it works for you then it's all good.
Thank you, it's done me a world of good.
While personally I can't comment on God's grace but yes, we've both been fortunate in finding a woman who shares our views and ideals to a sufficient degree.
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Gregorach1976 In reply to Niteshifter [2013-02-20 02:07:37 +0000 UTC]
The gifts of the Holy Spirit are just God manifesting his power through us. It's all for Ministry. They are listed in 1Cor 12 and some in the Book of Romans as well. In 1 Cor 14 we are giving particular directions as to how some of them should be used. Tongues and Prophecy are the ones discussed in that chapter.
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Niteshifter In reply to Gregorach1976 [2013-02-20 07:56:46 +0000 UTC]
I see, thank you for explaining.
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AlexRose312 [2012-04-25 06:32:04 +0000 UTC]
I don't really know what my viewpoint on this would be. My first response is to say my thoughts on the "I Can Change Him" situation, that unfortunately, this is extremely common, especially amongst the less intelligent females. Firstly, it's a stupid idea for a girl to ever try and change a guy, or be foolish enough to think she can. Also, why would you even bother to be with someone you thought needed changing? Surely the whole point of being in a relationship is to love someone for who they are, including their faults? Pft, stupid girls... -.-
I think I do disagree on your point that seems to be stating that girls in general prefer these so-called 'bad boys'. I agree that this will sometimes be the case, but by no means always. I don't think there really can be an explanation for why certain attractions take place. Different people will have different preferences, and yes, we hear too often 'nice guys finish last', but I'm not so sure that's true. For instance, this would suggest or imply that most males lucky enough to be in relationships are assholes, just because there are so many 'nice guys' left single. And also, consider this; sometimes couples can bring out the worst in each other. So to the outsider, the male may treat the girl horribly, but may once have started out incredibly sweet until things deteriorated.
I have a bunch of other things to say, but I don't even know what point I'm trying to make here. Human behavior and emotions rarely make sense, and I think you're maybe being a little too quick to judge and generalize.
..
So much of my wording in this was incredibly awkward and inarticulate. I don't even really have a proper opinion; I'm just rambling. Meh.
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Niteshifter In reply to AlexRose312 [2012-04-25 12:46:25 +0000 UTC]
I agree with you there, the concept of changing people is idiotic, it defeats the purpose of a relationship, like you said.
I was stating that, out of the girls I have met, most, literally most, excluding one or two, have gone for the "bad boy" which obviously doesn't apply to all girls, I have barely met even a 1000th of the population of the smallest country on the planet, but by extrapolation I believe it is a fairly common trait. Sure, many girls either aren't interested in bad boys or overcome that urge, point is, I don't know many. And yes, I hadn't considered the issue of a warped outside perspective, that it entirely likely.
There doesn't need to be a point, you made valid remarks, contributed to the conversation and expanded my own thoughts and ideas. So over all that was an interesting conversation, thank you.
Don't worry about the wording, you were fine.
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Chaosfive-55 [2012-04-18 04:29:09 +0000 UTC]
Good Lord...
You've obviously put a lot of thought into this--a splendid dissertation, by the way but you seem to be looking for a simple answer to a very complex question, and there are no panaceatic explanations; I feel I must point out that you may have missed something in this complex human equation. It's no reflection on you, because it's one of those basic facts that are so big they cannot easily be seen whole in a single glance, and it is, succinctly, this:
Our species is not extinct! FAR from it, in fact--millions upon millions of babies are born every day because billions of men and women are successful in choosing mates, and the vast majority of these relationships are long-term ones, so I really don't think it's as difficult as we often think it is. Men and women want the same thing--someone they can rely upon! A friend, a partner, a good lover, a responsible provider, a thousand and one different qualities, and as each of us are unique individuals, finding a suitable mate can be extraordinarily easy or difficult, depending on your own point of view! Ask yourself this: are you looking for perfection, or is your own idea of the perfect woman a reasonable and attainable one?
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Niteshifter In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-04-18 11:40:00 +0000 UTC]
Well, I wrote this because I have an intrinsic need to understand things, an not just on the basis of curiosity, my mental condition, Schizoid Personality Disorder, has many symptoms equatable to high functioning aspergers, which means that I am very logically minded and emotionally blunted, what I can't explain I take a pathological dislike to, like this whole "bad-boy" non-sense, i need an answer I can understand, even if it's just a confirmation of my theories.
But yes, you are quite right, people have unnatainably high pedestles for their ideal partner to climb to. However I am not one of them, I do not enter into a conversation or other interaction with an expectation for them to meet, I see what life brings me and then decide if it can benefit me. My "ideal" partner is simply someone who can hold their own against my stubbornness and intelligence, someone kind and open minded and above all someone patient. Aside from that I really could not care in the slightest what they look like, where they come from, or anything else, I am not racist, or prejudice against anything except personality, and I don't let first impressions dictate future interaction.
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Chaosfive-55 In reply to Niteshifter [2012-04-19 02:57:47 +0000 UTC]
I have no doubt that you will meet a girl who appreciates you!!
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DarkHeart1234 [2012-04-17 13:47:56 +0000 UTC]
look.... idk what to say.... i don't really know where i stand on this... im only young but i believe that one day i will "Fall" for someone... i won't know who they are or what they are like but i really don't care. they may be some smoking hot bad ass or a sweet man with a beautiful heart. Its just who we let ourselves fall for.... look all im saying is that, you are only seeing half of the story, half of the women.... there are women out there that are waiting for the one because they know that one day, when the moment is perfect "he" will show up... but there are the others why throw themselves over ever man they see. They jump at bad boys so they can rub it in others faces... mostly to hurt the good, sweet hearted boys that may like them. THey dont see it so it doesn't affect them.
all im saying is that maybe just maybe you should have a look at the elephants in the room and see what they are like. See if they are worth getting to know.
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Niteshifter In reply to DarkHeart1234 [2012-04-18 05:48:22 +0000 UTC]
I'm just going to say that I appreciate your point of view, but I DO NOT focus on the "traditionally attractive" women, I will try and get to know anyone I find interesting. And EVERYONE I have tried to get to know has turned out to behave as above. I am not shallow, I am not obsessed with physical appearances. I value intelligence, kindness, open mindedness, physical beauty in ALL of it's flaws and frankly I find any implication that I am as pathetically simple minded as most of these asshole men out there INCREDIBLY offensive especially since there is no evidence to indicate such.
But thank you for your input all the same.
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DarkHeart1234 In reply to Niteshifter [2012-04-18 07:31:37 +0000 UTC]
and i respect yours. But good luck anyhow...
i was just saying what needed to be said.
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Niteshifter In reply to DarkHeart1234 [2012-04-18 11:32:33 +0000 UTC]
that's entirely fair, freedom of speech and all
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Kaytee1336 [2012-04-16 03:34:48 +0000 UTC]
I do agree with Niobesnuppa. I am not being offensive but as a woman I know what Niboesnuppa means. But your viewpoint is not wrong either. Both are very valid and true. As two opposite sexes we view things differently and see, hear and talk differently also. I also think the same can be said for girls. Guys want a drop dead goregous model type girl with big boobs and no intelligence. She can be the nicest girl in the world, really sweet but is overweight and shy. That was me and I had a few boyfriends but they turned out to be jerks. I guess what I am trying to say is that this viewpoint can go for both sides and that being nice also comes with how you represent yourself. If you are quite and do not put your self out there, how does the girl know you are nice or what you are like? Sometimes you can be thinking about that girl/guy and they do not even know you exist except maybe that you are nice. Being nice is not a turn off for girls. I know what you mean they go after the prick, daredevil type but there a lot of girls who go after the nice guy. Look at Peter Parker for example from Spiderman. A nice kid, sweet but he had to let Mary Jane know and they fell in love. Another thing to consider is that, ok your nice. But do you communicate well, do you listen, do you do this or that? That is the other key factor and a lot of people are good at picking up on this before they go for the nice guy. Maybe they know you do not listen (not saying you dont) for example, they are going to disregard your kindness. People tend to focus on what you do not do over what you do or who you are. So thats all I can think of for now but hope this adds to your study.
P.S. This was all said in good content and nothing to say you are wrong.
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Niteshifter In reply to Kaytee1336 [2012-04-16 10:53:58 +0000 UTC]
You didn't need the P.S. at the bottom you presented yourself very unbiasedly. Thank you for your input
and yes, everything you said is entirely true, we do all intrinsically rely upon our experiences and perceptions to make judgements and theories. Everything I talked about up there is based off of my experiences and conversations discussing this with people, so yes, it will be decidedly one sided because I am limited by my understanding and interactions with women, I can't know what a girl is thinking when she turns me down and I can't tell what she really means by "I don't think of you in that way" when I ask, so here I just collected my thoughts on what it could possibly be. I'm nice, I'm talkative, yes I have my flaws, I'm not especially charming, handsome, and I tend to be aloof and arrogant, but I wouldn't have thought that these were severe enough flaws to dissuade every girl I have ever asked out. Not to mention the fact that every man I have talked to about this and that I personally consider to be a nice guy has felt similarly.
As for the whole appearance thing you know full well that has NO bearing what so ever on my opinion and frankly I deeply resent the implication that I would be so shallow.
But I also know that you yourself weren't implicating anything, and like I said, I value your input thank you for giving your honest opinion, and like I said, you are probably very right, you and Niobesnuppa, despite her aggressive tone.
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Kaytee1336 In reply to Niteshifter [2012-04-16 15:51:55 +0000 UTC]
Overall, guys and girls are really difficult. XD But one thing that you are doing Huw that is a major turn off, is being down on yourself. Confidence is really key when it comes to a relationship. If you keep telling yourself that you are not so charming, handsome and so forth a girl becomes turned off. I am totally being a hypocrite though because I really lack confidence and I know it bothers my bf when I am down on myself. It actually pisses him off. So one thing that people need to do, you and I, is build our confidence. That really helps, especially already being a nice guy.
And yes I was not implicating you yourself as being shallow. There are a lot of guys and girls that are though. You are not.
I do not mind giving you my input, I think it is fun. ^^
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Niteshifter In reply to Kaytee1336 [2012-04-18 11:54:59 +0000 UTC]
Ok, but where is the line between confidence and arrogance? how do you temper confidence with modesty? But yes, I'm aware it's not the best quality. And thank you your bf is a very lucky guy.
And that's great! your opinion is always interesting.
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Kaytee1336 In reply to Niteshifter [2012-04-18 16:08:07 +0000 UTC]
That is a good question. I guess thats partially why I am not confident so I do not become big headed. XD But when it comes to confidence, people want to see you carrying yourself well and just showing that the world does not bother you and people's judgements dont bother you is a good way to start. As with confidence vs modesty, I do not have a clue. >.< I hope this helps, I am kinda being a hypocrite right now. XD He is a great guy but Huw all I do is worry him and I swear I am going crazy. All I do is whine, complain and just pour out everything that bothers me to him because I love him so much and I think he can handle it better since he is a lot stronger than I am. I do not understand why he loves me so much when I feel like a pest. >.<
You are welcome, hope to see another question/inquiry soon. ^^
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Niteshifter In reply to Kaytee1336 [2012-04-19 12:39:28 +0000 UTC]
hehe xD Well, I can see your point and honestly, since last time we spoke I have become much more confident in myself. You realise that a decent boyfriend WANTS to be there to hear your complaints and fears, hopes, dreams, aches and pains so that he can make the bad go away and help you achieve the good?
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Kaytee1336 In reply to Niteshifter [2012-04-20 17:05:39 +0000 UTC]
Thats great! Your male logic makes sense, thank you Huw. ^^
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Niteshifter In reply to Kaytee1336 [2012-04-20 19:12:13 +0000 UTC]
you're welcome! And remember, if he feels like it's too much he'll tell you, otherwise he wants to be there for you to help you
And he'll get REALLY jealous if you don't talk to him about your problems
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Kaytee1336 In reply to Niteshifter [2012-04-20 19:24:30 +0000 UTC]
Thanks again Huw. ^^ Heheh, I will be seeing him saturday and will tell him everything, I promise.
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Byhuldra [2012-04-15 11:47:22 +0000 UTC]
Okay, listen up, Huward. I am so sick and tired of hearing men say this. You can't generalize half the world's population just because women tend to fall for other guys than you. If I said every guy out there go for sluts just because I've never had a boyfriend, how would you like that?
You can't choose who you fall for, and you can't say that most women fall for these guys. Maybe you're looking at the wrong women? Maybe instead of gazing at all the supermodel-pretty women out there who often go for the more macho guys, you should be looking at the less popular women, because I assure you, all women don't fall for badboys, and all women wouldn't be taken in by a badboy even if we did fall for them. Seriously, if you could take one look at all the couples at my school, you'd see that 90% of them involve a nice guy, so don't give me that bullshit. It's enough having to hear this kind of thing from all the would-be nice guys out there (You know, assholes who treat women like shit and still think they're nice guys just because women don't want them) without having to hear it from you too. I don't think nice guys are boring at all, I prefer nice guys, and most of the girls I've spoken to agree with me, but a lot of men seem to think that just because they're not very good at charming women it means that women only go for badboys, and it's just not true. Then again, I guess it could be different in your culture, but I personally haven't met a lot of girls above the age of 16 who go for guys who treat them like dirt.
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Niteshifter In reply to Byhuldra [2012-04-15 14:56:56 +0000 UTC]
Ok, several things I'd like to mention, first I meant this as a discussion piece. My opinion on things I have seen and experienced, in no way was it meant to be offensive, aggressive or ever construed as hard fact. Second, personally I don't like supermodels, they're actually fairly unattractive to me, I am happy to spend my time with anyone who is interested. To be frank, also from my own experiences, a lot of guys do seem to be inclined towards the more... sexually liberal women, myself included, I had a crush on one. However I much prefer a kind and intelligent girl. I'll also point out that I made amorous advances towards YOU when we first met so don't get tetchy at me. It's great that the majority of couples where you live are pleasant couples, I'm really glad to hear it. But I didn't know that, so I couldn't make an opinion based on it.
I didn't intend this as an argument, I even specifically asked to be corrected if anyone else had a different viewpoint. I WANT to be proven wrong because that would make the world a much nicer place. So please, don't take everything I write so personally, a debate does not need to become an argument.
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Byhuldra In reply to Niteshifter [2012-04-15 15:37:18 +0000 UTC]
Well, I did give you my viewpoint. And my viewpoint is that the "facts" you and a lot of men out there seem to believe are completely wrong.
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Niteshifter In reply to Byhuldra [2012-04-15 15:47:31 +0000 UTC]
and i respect and accept that through your experiences that these are your facts, and I'm glad of it, but they aren't my experiences, which is why it is so... negative, I suppose you could say, but that could be a very narrow view of a specific part of society that i have been subjected to, which is why I asked for the opinions of others on the subject, so thank you for adding your insight.
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mouseluva [2012-04-15 06:33:14 +0000 UTC]
Here's an idea: "We accept the love we think we deserve." Might not be true in all cases, but it could explain a lot. You can probably extrapolate the rest from that better than I can explain it.
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