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I believe that everyone already read, i just add the manga's panel to bring the emotion up^^Related content
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omg thanks this is an old dev everyone can do this
and please dont call me senpai, you're way too honest!
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Haha! You're very welcome! And don't say that ether. A Senpai is a Senpai no matter what!
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Thank youu, i'm so flattered:$ what a good girl, then please enjoy seighseeing my other edits, just naruto tho
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Kya! You're very welcome Senpai! I'll do just that!
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Did everyone forget those few times, Sasuke supported her, Sasuke saved her? He didn't want her to go with him because he was being selfish in part one, if she left with him, Sakura would have become an enemy ninja. He was the one who showed her she was being mean to Naruto also in part 1. Oh yes, I must clear something up about the whole "Kushina is Sakura so cute" comparison.
"Not someone who shares my bad traits." -Kushina. (I know she didn't say that exactly, but its what she meant) (where do we see her bad traits, we see them in Sakura, which would only be her bad temper. The time when Minato said Sakura was like Kushina based on a glimpe from seeing his son with Sakura for a few seconds is meant to be Team 7 joke.
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Snowflower-chan00, which panel you've mentioned that sasuke saved her? and also, which panel you've mentioned that sasuke supported her. I scanned all the panels from chapter 1 to 683, the result is not a single panel shown that sasuke supported her. Regarding the part where he saved her, well there are four: (1) carrying her away from a snake form orochimaru when sakura was paralyzed by genjutsu (2) almost killing one of the sound nins after sasuke asked her "Who did this to you?" (3) saving her from the fall when naruto is busy fighting gaara, and (4) Sasuke, along with naruto, saved sakura from one of the juubis. Of all these four sasuke's actions, WHICH do you think these four counted as one of his "heroic" (risking his life) way to save sakura? Answer is NONE.
I think you misunderstood the part why sasuke left sakura. The panels didn't shown any signs that sasuke didn't want her to go with him. Sakura tried to CONVINCE sasuke to stay by declaring her love and to remind him about the "happy moments" when they were Team7 but sasuke wanted to leave and joined with Orochimaru because he wanted to gain powers to defeat his brother. She gave another options by telling him that she would do anything for him, even offering to help him in his quest for power and informing the hokage and her friends if he attempts to leave the village. This is why sasuke thanked her for being a concerned friend but knocked her off because he doesn't want her to inform others.
Sasuke is not the one who showed her that she was being mean to naruto in part 1. Please read the sasuke lines :" All alone...the sadness of having a parent yet at you is nowhere near what he feels....you're annoying" . If you asked me, it's like a throw back of what she said earlier when she said to sasuke (naruto) : "Naruto doesn't understand anything about me, he's just annoying..." After she realize what sasuke said to her and called her "annoying" she thought by putting herself into naruto's shoes and realized she's mean to naruto "Did naruto feel like this too?...Maybe next time, i can be nicer to him." This shows that sasuke didn't showed her that she was being mean to naruto. She didn't realize it because she has parents.
"Not someone who shares my bad traits." where do get this? Is this part of kushina's last words to naruto? All i can read in raw (japanese) manga, "Just try not to pick the weird one, try to find someone like your mother.." Kushina never said her "bad traits" to naruto...she only mentioned to find someone like her.
About a joke, how come you considered it as a TEAM 7 joke when sasuke wasn't around the time when minato asked her (sakura) if she's naruto's GF?? Imagine, a well-respected hokage saw that his son was surrounded by medic-nins, and kunoichi, including hinata and asked ONLY her (sakura) if she's naruto's GF. Do you think it's right to say a joke to his father? In japan, if a son made a joke to his father, it shows it is an act of disrespect. If minato knew it was a joke then why he said to her "Take care of my son"?
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In case you haven't known that I was sasusaku shipper and lasted since part 1 lasted too. Yes I know sasuke supported her few times, if not she wouldn't fall in love with him right? But people change, Sasuke has long changed since he left konoha. and he just cares with three things in his life: naruto, itachi, himself. Every kind things he has done is things he doesn't do anymore. He doesn't compliment sakura anymore, he doesn't value her as his teammate anymore, accept it. It became his past and long forgotten. Naruto is the one and only who can fully forgive him and makes him look deeper into their past. When the times come sasuke won't betray him.
He didn't want her to go with him because he was being selfish in part one, if she left with him, Sakura would have become an enemy ninja.Why are making excuses? He just didn't care with her, he didn't need her. In samurai bridge, he wanted to kill her, because she talked nonsense. She's so naive that she believed sasuke would take her by betraying konoha. He wanted kill her along with karin. They weren't in any part of his plan. That's simple.
Yes I must clear something up to you. Where did I even mentioned about the comparison in this dev yes tell me more. I though Kushina said "Find someone like me." by any means, it was someone who very like her, bad tempered, fear to lose, couragious, hate her flaw (her hair) at the first, love someone she hated at first, met a man who can makes her dream comes true. I'm sorry but it's so naruto and sakura to me, forgive of my bias and all. sarcasm
And when was somebody said "Kushina is Sakura because they cute" comparison, are you mad because that was Minato himself who resemble her with his own wife? He's kushina's husband, naruto's father, the fourth hokage, why would he joke with his own son? Someone he sacrificed his life for, someone he trusted the fate of shinobi world for, his own son who didn't have chance to life along with. Did he just joke in his whole life tragedy? He's a father who has lost his family and all, why did he joke to declare his happiness in seeing his son has well-cared by the girl who remind him of his own wife? Don't you call him desperate by joking. Don't you call us-ns shipper-desperate. It was kishimoto himself who make the comparison just like he make the others. Tell me about this team 7 joke, when minato said SASUKE was resemble his own wife. That was never been a joke if minato said it was sakura, that's make sense. That would be more joking if he mentioned hinata, who less interacted with naruto. Or I think sakura resembles mikoto more because they shares same hairstlyle.
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Wow, you seriously need to read the manga again. (face palms) Well, I wouldn't know, since you never said you were an SS fan in the first place, so checkmate. Sasuke is lost, and no those aren't the the three things he only cares about. If he could care less about Sakura he could have killed her during their first meeting. Again, he was not in his right state of mind, he cracked, went insane! At first he wanted to avenge his clan, and go after Itachi, when he learned the damning truth, he snapped, and literally went psycho. Yes, yes the manga and Kishimoto are making excuses and Sasuke has shown zero signs of actually caring about Sakura. He saved her a lot of times, (Erm, in part 1 when he was sane) Sasuke was the one who told her to be nicer to Naruto, and be a little bit more accepting of him back in part 1. This is the ninja world we are talking about here, right? Of course he tried to kill her, because she was the one who first tried to kill him. A very weak plan on her part, I might add. Really, Sakura? A freaking kunai? YOU ARE A MEDIC! There are tons of different ways you could have come up with in trying to assassinate Sasuke! What, did you and other people really think he was just going to stand there and let her run her kunai through him? In a way, as harsh as this sounds, it was sort of self defense on Sasuke's part. Sasuke is a freaking psychopath that much we agree on, but he tried killing Karin and Sakura for two different reasons, he simply saw no use of Karin anymore and needed to get rid of her. For Sakura, she was trying to kill him. Even though he was out of his mind, he is still a ninja. Ninjas try to kill each other everyday, just because one of them so happens to be a nutcase, doesn't change that fact.
Oh yes, going back to the bench scene in part 1. Since Sasuke wanted Sakura to stay behind and not get mixed up with him and his dangerous plot, not wanting her to become a rogue ninja to be hunted down and killed by her own village, kindly knocking her out and leaving her behind, is all an act of being selfish! Since he was selfish, then Jiraiya was selfish, Naruto was selfish, Naruto's parents were selfish for wanting to protect people too.
Take a look at this interview if you will:
narutocouple.wikia.com/wiki/Us…
Kishimoto is not sure of Sasuke's feelings as of yet, its understandable. What he does tell us and keeps telling us over and over and over and over and over again, is that Sakura still loves Sasuke. If Naruto did in fact indefinably, truly, loved Sakura, then why hasn't there been any concrete hints? Why? There are a lot of NH hints, heck Hinata confessed her love. Naruto is too busy to think of his feelings when there is war.
Okay, I admit I got a little excited, with the Kushina thing. Seriously though, people don't get it and stick with taking each part literally to heart. Despite when even Kishimoto clearly has Kakashi, and Tsunade all say that Naruto has his mother's personality and is mostly like her. To say all that in black and white, and still ignore the obvious, people must be blind. So to say, Kushina is like Sakura is utter nonsense. Yes, she said "Find someone like me." Er, not literally like herself I'm sure. What Kushina meant, would be what any other mother would mean in her place. "Find someone who loves you as I do." Is more closer to the meaning behind Kushina's words, than a copy of what she said earlier. She and Sakura are nothing alike. Sorry to disappoint you, but they are as opposite as water and fire. Kushina did have issues, but comparing them with Sakura's falls flat. In what way? Sakura did not like forehead while Kushina hated her hair. It wasn't Naruto who said, her forehead was cute, it was Sasuke that supposed jerk who doesn't care and is always selfish. Minato changed Kushina and helped her like herself a little more. "Your father, he changed me and I began liking myself a little more." -Kushina. Hm, who else was changed? Oh yeah, NS fan's worst nightmare: Hinata. (insert horror music) Again, Naruto is just like his mother, same past, same conflict with the villagers, same personality they are both loud mouths, etc. So why, why would Kishimoto make Hinata say that line and be changed by Naruto? When we clearly see that Naruto is like his mother. To make a comparison I guess, between Naurhina and MinaKushi, those pairings parallel each other so closely that it is downright scary. I'm not saying Kushina is like Hinata, and yet they shared flaws they hated, but were changed by their love interests. It is rather strange that we see even though Naruto has his mother's personality, Kushina and Hinata were abducted literally the same way, and were both of royal blood (They were sort of like princesses, since they are important and have important roles in their unique clans) lines so to speak. They were both abducted by the same clan, but for different reasons involving power. That's something to deep think about. Going back to Hinata, she shares a lot more similarities with Minato, they are both quiet, but always supportive to their love interests, they never bring them down, were thought to be weird by both love interests, lastly they were pretty stealthy stalkers. "I never paid your father any mind." -Kushina. From that quote, obviously she never knew Minato even existed, much the same as Naruto not knowing Hinata's existence, until they saved said love interest. Hinata vs. Pain, (even though the love confession could have maybe been done a little better, well my opinion) and Minato saving Kushina from those Cloud ninjas. (Is that what they were, I honestly forget!) As for Sakura being the ideal clone of Kushina, is highly unlikely, and why would Kushina be proud enough to call a girl her daughter-in-law when she has a temper (adding 'beats her son up despite comic relief' to the list) and that's the only thing they share? Kushina was embarrassed by her temper, Sakura is not. (Kushina is a tomboy, beat the living snot out of her bullies, while Sakura coward in fear. Ino had to step in and save Sakura from her bullies. If nothing else, Ino is the one who shares this insignificant comparison which holds zero meaning in the first place. Sakura is far from being a tomboy and puts focus into her looks, mainly her hair, wears dresses too. So that argument of 'Kushina and Sakura are tomboys' is BS from NS fans.) Kushina told Naruto she hated her bad trait. Yes, you heard me right, Kushina specifically said, her temper was a bad trait she was ashamed of.
My God, Kishimoto has you fooled, when you can't even tell it was all a joke. You really expect to take Minato's word that Sakura is like Kushina based off of a ten second glimpse of seeing Sakura hit Naruto, and have no understanding how their relationship is? From that conclusion, ten ten can hit Naruto, so that means since Minato saw that she is like Kushina too? Are you kidding me? Granted, he did see their moment of Sakura bashing Naruto's head while attempting to heal him, so he assumed they were a couple. I just flat out explained the whole joke, which is: Naruto does or says something stupid (In this case calling Sakura his girlfriend), Naruto gets punched by Sakura, after Sakura gets angry. End joke, resulting in another "Team 7" joke. By looking at Naruto's response to his dad's startling question, you would think he would be a little more enthusiastic, since he is supposedly so much in love with her, according to many NS fans. While we're at it, there should be a lot of NS moments that hold meaning, we see none, and keep being reminded that Sakura still loves Sasuke and is still holding out hope for him. In Sasuke's defense, he was 90% of the time insane and has recently come back to becoming the good guy again. So who knows what he really thinks, you can't assume he doesn't feel anything for Sakura, since he has saved her in the past and even encouraged her sometimes. Even during the Ninja War they are in, he at one point did save her butt yet again from a few enemies. Maybe he does value her as a teammate after all? (To Anti SS fans) Did we see Sakura react with disgust, or indifference if she is over that jerk? . . . Nope. We see Sakura react the way her old self used to when he was in team 7 in the past. If that doesn't say love then I'm scared for society.
(I read through your comment, please read through mine. Its fair. Don't complain that it is long, since others have. No one is forcing anyone to read through it all at once!)
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I have some points to correct your statements here.
* "If he could care less about Sakura he could have killed her during their first meeting. Again, he was not in his right state of mind, he cracked, went insane! At first he wanted to avenge his clan, and go after Itachi, when he learned the damning truth, he snapped, and literally went psycho. Yes, yes the manga and Kishimoto are making excuses and Sasuke has shown zero signs of actually caring about Sakura." ~ Yes sasuke is lost in part 1 (after itachi massacred the uchiha clan) but you've mentioned here "if he could careless about sakura he could have killed her during their first meeting". May i ask you why sasuke still decided to stay the academy 'til graduation and he's willing to be part of Team 7 if he really indeed careless person? Is it because he seeks more knowledge and power from the jonins? So that means, he still not psycho yet in part 1. He followed what itachi told him before he left: To avenge his clan and go after him when he's strong and ready, so this is why he wanted to train more from the jonins but sadly he was defeated by Itachi when he came to rescue naruto (Remember what itachi said to him "you're still weak, little brother". There's one part of the scene that he didn't save her, when naruto faces gaara to save sakura. This is why he became so disappointed when he realized that naruto is stronger than he is. He believes that training under kakashi not enough for him to defeat itachi so he decided to join Orochimaru to gain more power. He became psycho path when he learned
the truth and killed danzou in part 2 and here in the previous chapter, he learned something from the 4 kages that Uchiha's sharingan powers are like deadly virus, that it needs to kill someone to gain more power and recently, he received a "Yin" power from Hagoromo and you know what "yin" means.
* "Sasuke was the one who told her to be nicer to Naruto, and be a little bit more accepting of him back in part 1." ~ Actually, he DIDN'T TOLD her to be nicer to Naruto in chapter 2. What he said in chapter 3 : "All alone...the sadness of having a parent yet at you is nowhere near what he feels....you're annoying". Remember, both sasuke and naruto are ophans and sakura didn't realize it before because she has parents. When he called her "annoying" she thought by putting herself into naruto's shoes and started to realize that she's indeed very selfish and decided to be nicer to her teammate.
* "This is the ninja world we are talking about here, right? Of course he tried to kill her, because she was the one who first tried to kill him. A very weak plan on her part, I might add. Really, Sakura? A freaking kunai? YOU ARE A MEDIC! There are tons of different ways you could have come up with in trying to assassinate Sasuke!" ~ What you're saying that you've agreed that it's ok with you to let his friend or comrade die? Since sasuke was totally obsessed in revenge and he became a psychopath, sakura wasn't the first one who tried to kill him first. She wanted to kill him but she stopped because of remembering what sasuke thanked her before by showing concern for him as nakama. Yes, it's a weak plan, but seriously when you put yourself in sakura's shoes what would you do to protect naruto from sasuke? And yes, she used kunai (with a poison in it) because sasuke forced her to kill karin but instead using her weapon to kill karin, she used as a counterattack to kill sasuke directly. And seriously being a Medic is far different from her situation.
* Ninjas try to kill each other everyday, just because one of them so happens to be a nutcase, doesn't change that fact. ~ I disagree with this part. If you are in a situation of being a ninja and you're still believe that ninjas try to kill each other everyday then that means you are willing to suffer consequences by killing your love ones. Am i right? This is why Obito said in previous chapters that "a person obeys ninja rules is also a scum". Remember, not all ninjas try to kill another ninja. They wanted to protect their land or homes and save the one they love, just like our armies today.
* Oh yes, going back to the bench scene in part 1. Since Sasuke wanted Sakura to stay behind and not get mixed up with him and his dangerous plot, not wanting her to become a rogue ninja to be hunted down and killed by her own village, kindly knocking her out and leaving her behind, is all an act of being selfish! Since he was selfish, then Jiraiya was selfish, Naruto was selfish, Naruto's parents were selfish for wanting to protect people too. ~ Wait?...When was the last time he (sasuke) wanted to stay behind with her???? Not wanting her become a ROGUE NINJA???huh??? Seriously, do you know what selfish means? Sasuke left the village because he wanted to gained power from Orochimaru. He also mentioned that if he stay longer in konoha, he might not able to defeat itachi. Sakura didn't want him to leave not because she loved him but she cherished the happy moments with kakashi and naruto as Team 7. Sakura didn't mentioned that she wanted to go along with him but she mentioned that she wanted to be with him because her life will be incomplete without him. This is the same situation happen when naruto thinks about his bestfriend, sasuke. We called this as "BOND". The reason why he knocked her off because he didn't want her to inform the hokage and his friends that he left the village.
* Kishimoto is not sure of Sasuke's feelings as of yet, its understandable. What he does tell us and keeps telling us over and over and over and over and over again, is that Sakura still loves Sasuke. If Naruto did in fact indefinably, truly, loved Sakura, then why hasn't there been any concrete hints? Why? There are a lot of NH hints, heck Hinata confessed her love. Naruto is too busy to think of his feelings when there is war. ~ I don't believe that kishi hasn't sure of sasuke's feeelings because in latest chapter, he mentioned that sasuke is "pure". That means, he is sure that sasuke will always be "dark sasuke" and sakura loves sasuke before but in chapter 679, it clearly stated that her feelings with sasuke has changed. "over and over again", you know that it's one-sided love right, same as hinata to naruto. Comparing the hints, there are lots of NS hints than NH hints. Not only in manga but also in animae, movies, opening and ending videos, ovas, posters PSP games and so on. The reason hinata confess her love with naruto because it is her way to gain her confidence to protect and save the person she idolizes. This is why naruto didn't respond her love because not he's busy (he doesn't know about the war; he learned there's a war when he activated senjutsu mode and came out from the waterfall) but he has some personal issues that he wanted to solve.
* Okay, I admit I got a little excited, with the Kushina thing. Seriously though, people don't get it and stick with taking each part literally to heart. Despite when even Kishimoto clearly has Kakashi, and Tsunade all say that Naruto has his mother's personality and is mostly like her. To say all that in black and white, and still ignore the obvious, people must be blind. ~ Kushina mentioned in previous chapters "try to find a girl like me" that means he should look for a woman who has a same personality with his mother and in chapter 632 is revealed (thanks to minato) that sakura is indeed like kushina. The good part is when minato said "Take care of my son" well in japan, it is a sign of parental approval. Check your glasses again if it's 20/20
* She and Sakura are nothing alike. Sorry to disappoint you, but they are as opposite as water and fire. ~ i don't know what water and fire what you've mentioned here because both (kushina x sakura) represents as "fire". Sakura is Aries (fire sign) and kushina has kyuuubi (this means, she's a fire element)
* "Your father, he changed me and I began liking myself a little more." -Kushina. Hm, who else was changed? Oh yeah, NS fan's worst nightmare: Hinata. (insert horror music) Again, Naruto is just like his mother, same past, same conflict with the villagers, same personality they are both loud mouths, etc. So why, why would Kishimoto make Hinata say that line and be changed by Naruto? When we clearly see that Naruto is like his mother. ~ HUH??? Can i ask you what naruto does changed her....her hair? her personality or being a love obsessive or maybe being a stalker???? What kushina is refering is about her bad attitude, not only to minato but others. Because she was bullied by people before but she gained confidence by fighting back and treated minato like a shit. The same situation happens to sakura before when she was bullied by girls and treated naruto as annoyance to her love with sasuke. The manga didn't shown that hinata was bulled before because they knew that she's the daughter of main branch that means, she was treated as a princess before unlike kushina and sakura.
* It is rather strange that we see even though Naruto has his mother's personality, Kushina and Hinata were abducted literally the same way, and were both of royal blood (They were sort of like princesses, since they are important and have important roles in their unique clans) lines so to speak. They were both abducted by the same clan, but for different reasons involving power. That's something to deep think about. ~ I think you misunderstood the part why kushina and hinata were kidnapped. The reason why kushina was kidnapped because she's a jinchuriki (carrier of one of the most powerful tailed beast) and the reason why hinata was kidnapped because not only she has a byakugan eyes but she's the daughter of main branch, the leader of her clan. They're using kushina because of power, while hinata is using as a hostage. Have you forgotten why neji became so mad at hinata when his father decided to risk his life to save hinata and her dad?
* Going back to Hinata, she shares a lot more similarities with Minato, they are both quiet, but always supportive to their love interests, they never bring them down, were thought to be weird by both love interests, lastly they were pretty stealthy stalkers. "I never paid your father any mind." -Kushina. ~ Honestly, i don't see similarities between minato and hinata. I hate to say this but yeah,
they're both stalkers. The difference is hinata always stalked naruto because she idolizes his strength and she copies his nindo way while minato stalked kushina because not only he idolizes her strength but he is willing to protect her at all cost. Minato knows everything about kushina, including kyuubi inside her while hinata doesn't know everything about naruto. Hinata knew that he's a jinchuriki when he transformed into 8 tailed beast. And i don't believe she never knew minato existed because both of them met in academy and they have the same dream. When kushina learned his dream, he looked down at him. Naruto also knew hinata but sadly, he thought that she's a "weird" person. Can you see the difference?
* As for Sakura being the ideal clone of Kushina, is highly unlikely, and why would Kushina be proud enough to call a girl her daughter-in-law when she has a temper (adding 'beats her son up despite comic relief' to the list) and that's the only thing they share? Kushina was embarrassed by her temper, Sakura is not.~ Well, i don't know about you but in japanese culture, mothers prefer to have a daughter-in-law to have similar attitudes like them. Just imagine if kushina choose hinata over sakura as her "daughter-in-law", do you think their relationship will last if the husband didn't appreciate because of their "differences"? Is naruto willing to become part of a hyuga clan by changing into Hyuga Traditional way???
* Kushina is a tomboy, beat the living snot out of her bullies, while Sakura coward in fear. Ino had to step in and save Sakura from her bullies. If nothing else, Ino is the one who shares this insignificant comparison which holds zero meaning in the first place. Sakura is far from being a tomboy and puts focus into her looks, mainly her hair, wears dresses too. So that argument of 'Kushina and Sakura are tomboys' is BS from NS fans.~ Yes, ino who step in and save sakura from her bullies but do you know she gained confidence from a help of her bestfriend? She became tomboy when she decided to train by Tsunade to save and protect her two boys (naruto and sasuke). Unlike sakura, kushina became tomboy when she became a jinchuriki and you know that people in the village doesn't like to befriend a person who carries a demon fox. She'll never known as a "Red Habanero" if she doesn't have kyuubi inside. Kushina and sakura are indeed tomboy but in different situation. Gets?!
* He did see their moment of Sakura bashing Naruto's head while attempting to heal him, so he assumed they were a couple. I just flat out explained the whole joke, which is: Naruto does or says something stupid (In this case calling Sakura his girlfriend), Naruto gets punched by Sakura, after Sakura gets angry. End joke, resulting in another "Team 7" joke. ~ It's part of comic relief by punching person's head but it doesn't mean that she hates him. She just want to correct his mistakes and you know naruto is kinda "idiot" sometimes. He doesn't have mother to correct his mistakes and foolishness so sakura stood as a mother/sister for naruto (well aside of being his closest friend). When minato asked HER (not naruto) if she is naruto's GF, naruto was the one who responded that she is indeed his GF. I would like to ask you. If minato knows about medic-nins, for all the girls surrounded by his son, why minato asked her if she is naruto's GF? Remember both naruto and minato has same abilities (able to sense human's emotions). And if it's a joke, do you think it is a right way to respond it to his father? If sakura gets angry then why she didn't correct it? If you think that he's joking then it shows he disrespects his father.
* In Sasuke's defense, he was 90% of the time insane and has recently come back to becoming the good guy again. So who knows what he really thinks, you can't assume he doesn't feel anything for Sakura, since he has saved her in the past and even encouraged her sometimes.Even during the Ninja War they are in, he at one point did save her butt yet again from a few enemies. Maybe he does value her as a teammate after all? (To Anti SS fans) Did we see Sakura react with disgust, or indifference if she is over that jerk? . . . Nope. We see Sakura react the way her old self used to when he was in team 7 in the past. If that doesn't say love then I'm scared for society. ~ I don't think that sasuke will change because kishi announce that the finale will be sasuke vs naruto so that means he'll never change, unless his powers became a "yang" release. Can i ask you with actual scene that sasuke's risking his life to save her? I only scanned two panels, the one where sasuke saves sakura from falling and the one where sasuke, along with naruto, saves sakura from Juubi. Do you think these two panels are counted as sasuke's "heroic way" to save sakura? Yes, sasuke did value his former teammates a little but did you see how she reacted when she asked why he's in the battlefield and also she remarked of what he's really meant of being a hokage. If you've seen her face, it looks kinda worried and concerned (it simply means "distrust"). And in previous chapter when sai asked about trusting sasuke, she gave a "fake smile". Yes, she didn't shown her "disgust" reaction but her "fake smile", "distrust looks" and "sad face" (when sasuke mentioned that she and kakashi are useless) are always there...i think you might as well have a second thought about these pairings.
To be fair, i also read your comments and respect your perceptions about your fave pairings but i'm trying to elaborate what you've stated because there are parts that i would like to correct. I'm not
such a narusaku shipper but when i follow and understand the story, i gave my full support for narusaku as an endgame. Well, you stated here "Don't complain that it is long, since others have. No one is forcing anyone to read through it all at once!" to me, it's like indirectly way of telling and forcing the reader to read your statements. If you think that your comment is quite long, rephrase it and if you have a doubt that the reader might give negative views on your comments, then don't post your comment here. Simply as that, right? BTW, this is shonen, a package of actions and dramas and not romantic novels.
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* "If he could care less about Sakura he could have killed her during their first meeting. Again, he was not in his right state of mind, he cracked, went insane! At first he wanted to avenge his clan, and go after Itachi, when he learned the damning truth, he snapped, and literally went psycho. Yes, yes the manga and Kishimoto are making excuses and Sasuke has shown zero signs of actually caring about Sakura." ~ Yes sasuke is lost in part 1 (after itachi massacred the uchiha clan) but you've mentioned here "if he could careless about sakura he could have killed her during their first meeting". May i ask you why sasuke still decided to stay the academy 'til graduation and he's willing to be part of Team 7 if he really indeed careless person? Is it because he seeks more knowledge and power from the jonins? So that means, he still not psycho yet in part 1. He followed what itachi told him before he left: To avenge his clan and go after him when he's strong and ready, so this is why he wanted to train more from the jonins but sadly he was defeated by Itachi when he came to rescue naruto (Remember what itachi said to him "you're still weak, little brother". There's one part of the scene that he didn't save her, when naruto faces gaara to save sakura. This is why he became so disappointed when he realized that naruto is stronger than he is. He believes that training under kakashi not enough for him to defeat itachi so he decided to join Orochimaru to gain more power. He became psycho path when he learned
the truth and killed danzou in part 2 and here in the previous chapter, he learned something from the 4 kages that Uchiha's sharingan powers are like deadly virus, that it needs to kill someone to gain more power and recently, he received a "Yin" power from Hagoromo and you know what "yin" means.
* "Sasuke was the one who told her to be nicer to Naruto, and be a little bit more accepting of him back in part 1." ~ Actually, he DIDN'T TOLD her to be nicer to Naruto in chapter 2. What he said in chapter 3 : "All alone...the sadness of having a parent yet at you is nowhere near what he feels....you're annoying". Remember, both sasuke and naruto are ophans and sakura didn't realize it before because she has parents. When he called her "annoying" she thought by putting herself into naruto's shoes and started to realize that she's indeed very selfish and decided to be nicer to her teammate.
* "This is the ninja world we are talking about here, right? Of course he tried to kill her, because she was the one who first tried to kill him. A very weak plan on her part, I might add. Really, Sakura? A freaking kunai? YOU ARE A MEDIC! There are tons of different ways you could have come up with in trying to assassinate Sasuke!" ~ What you're saying that you've agreed that it's ok with you to let his friend or comrade die? Since sasuke was totally obsessed in revenge and he became a psychopath, sakura wasn't the first one who tried to kill him first. She wanted to kill him but she stopped because of remembering what sasuke thanked her before by showing concern for him as nakama. Yes, it's a weak plan, but seriously when you put yourself in sakura's shoes what would you do to protect naruto from sasuke? And yes, she used kunai (with a poison in it) because sasuke forced her to kill karin but instead using her weapon to kill karin, she used as a counterattack to kill sasuke directly. And seriously being a Medic is far different from her situation.
* Ninjas try to kill each other everyday, just because one of them so happens to be a nutcase, doesn't change that fact. ~ I disagree with this part. If you are in a situation of being a ninja and you're still believe that ninjas try to kill each other everyday then that means you are willing to suffer consequences by killing your love ones. Am i right? This is why Obito said in previous chapters that "a person obeys ninja rules is also a scum". Remember, not all ninjas try to kill another ninja. They wanted to protect their land or homes and save the one they love, just like our armies today.
* Oh yes, going back to the bench scene in part 1. Since Sasuke wanted Sakura to stay behind and not get mixed up with him and his dangerous plot, not wanting her to become a rogue ninja to be hunted down and killed by her own village, kindly knocking her out and leaving her behind, is all an act of being selfish! Since he was selfish, then Jiraiya was selfish, Naruto was selfish, Naruto's parents were selfish for wanting to protect people too. ~ Wait?...When was the last time he (sasuke) wanted to stay behind with her???? Not wanting her become a ROGUE NINJA???huh??? Seriously, do you know what selfish means? Sasuke left the village because he wanted to gained power from Orochimaru. He also mentioned that if he stay longer in konoha, he might not able to defeat itachi. Sakura didn't want him to leave not because she loved him but she cherished the happy moments with kakashi and naruto as Team 7. Sakura didn't mentioned that she wanted to go along with him but she mentioned that she wanted to be with him because her life will be incomplete without him. This is the same situation happen when naruto thinks about his bestfriend, sasuke. We called this as "BOND". The reason why he knocked her off because he didn't want her to inform the hokage and his friends that he left the village.
* Kishimoto is not sure of Sasuke's feelings as of yet, its understandable. What he does tell us and keeps telling us over and over and over and over and over again, is that Sakura still loves Sasuke. If Naruto did in fact indefinably, truly, loved Sakura, then why hasn't there been any concrete hints? Why? There are a lot of NH hints, heck Hinata confessed her love. Naruto is too busy to think of his feelings when there is war. ~ I don't believe that kishi hasn't sure of sasuke's feeelings because in latest chapter, he mentioned that sasuke is "pure". That means, he is sure that sasuke will always be "dark sasuke" and sakura loves sasuke before but in chapter 679, it clearly stated that her feelings with sasuke has changed. "over and over again", you know that it's one-sided love right, same as hinata to naruto. Comparing the hints, there are lots of NS hints than NH hints. Not only in manga but also in animae, movies, opening and ending videos, ovas, posters PSP games and so on. The reason hinata confess her love with naruto because it is her way to gain her confidence to protect and save the person she idolizes. This is why naruto didn't respond her love because not he's busy (he doesn't know about the war; he learned there's a war when he activated senjutsu mode and came out from the waterfall) but he has some personal issues that he wanted to solve.
* Okay, I admit I got a little excited, with the Kushina thing. Seriously though, people don't get it and stick with taking each part literally to heart. Despite when even Kishimoto clearly has Kakashi, and Tsunade all say that Naruto has his mother's personality and is mostly like her. To say all that in black and white, and still ignore the obvious, people must be blind. ~ Kushina mentioned in previous chapters "try to find a girl like me" that means he should look for a woman who has a same personality with his mother and in chapter 632 is revealed (thanks to minato) that sakura is indeed like kushina. The good part is when minato said "Take care of my son" well in japan, it is a sign of parental approval. Check your glasses again if it's 20/20
* She and Sakura are nothing alike. Sorry to disappoint you, but they are as opposite as water and fire. ~ i don't know what water and fire what you've mentioned here because both (kushina x sakura) represents as "fire". Sakura is Aries (fire sign) and kushina has kyuuubi (this means, she's a fire element)
* "Your father, he changed me and I began liking myself a little more." -Kushina. Hm, who else was changed? Oh yeah, NS fan's worst nightmare: Hinata. (insert horror music) Again, Naruto is just like his mother, same past, same conflict with the villagers, same personality they are both loud mouths, etc. So why, why would Kishimoto make Hinata say that line and be changed by Naruto? When we clearly see that Naruto is like his mother. ~ HUH??? Can i ask you what naruto does changed her....her hair? her personality or being a love obsessive or maybe being a stalker???? What kushina is refering is about her bad attitude, not only to minato but others. Because she was bullied by people before but she gained confidence by fighting back and treated minato like a shit. The same situation happens to sakura before when she was bullied by girls and treated naruto as annoyance to her love with sasuke. The manga didn't shown that hinata was bulled before because they knew that she's the daughter of main branch that means, she was treated as a princess before unlike kushina and sakura.
* It is rather strange that we see even though Naruto has his mother's personality, Kushina and Hinata were abducted literally the same way, and were both of royal blood (They were sort of like princesses, since they are important and have important roles in their unique clans) lines so to speak. They were both abducted by the same clan, but for different reasons involving power. That's something to deep think about. ~ I think you misunderstood the part why kushina and hinata were kidnapped. The reason why kushina was kidnapped because she's a jinchuriki (carrier of one of the most powerful tailed beast) and the reason why hinata was kidnapped because not only she has a byakugan eyes but she's the daughter of main branch, the leader of her clan. They're using kushina because of power, while hinata is using as a hostage. Have you forgotten why neji became so mad at hinata when his father decided to risk his life to save hinata and her dad?
* Going back to Hinata, she shares a lot more similarities with Minato, they are both quiet, but always supportive to their love interests, they never bring them down, were thought to be weird by both love interests, lastly they were pretty stealthy stalkers. "I never paid your father any mind." -Kushina. ~ Honestly, i don't see similarities between minato and hinata. I hate to say this but yeah,
they're both stalkers. The difference is hinata always stalked naruto because she idolizes his strength and she copies his nindo way while minato stalked kushina because not only he idolizes her strength but he is willing to protect her at all cost. Minato knows everything about kushina, including kyuubi inside her while hinata doesn't know everything about naruto. Hinata knew that he's a jinchuriki when he transformed into 8 tailed beast. And i don't believe she never knew minato existed because both of them met in academy and they have the same dream. When kushina learned his dream, he looked down at him. Naruto also knew hinata but sadly, he thought that she's a "weird" person. Can you see the difference?
* As for Sakura being the ideal clone of Kushina, is highly unlikely, and why would Kushina be proud enough to call a girl her daughter-in-law when she has a temper (adding 'beats her son up despite comic relief' to the list) and that's the only thing they share? Kushina was embarrassed by her temper, Sakura is not.~ Well, i don't know about you but in japanese culture, mothers prefer to have a daughter-in-law to have similar attitudes like them. Just imagine if kushina choose hinata over sakura as her "daughter-in-law", do you think their relationship will last if the husband didn't appreciate because of their "differences"? Is naruto willing to become part of a hyuga clan by changing into Hyuga Traditional way???
* Kushina is a tomboy, beat the living snot out of her bullies, while Sakura coward in fear. Ino had to step in and save Sakura from her bullies. If nothing else, Ino is the one who shares this insignificant comparison which holds zero meaning in the first place. Sakura is far from being a tomboy and puts focus into her looks, mainly her hair, wears dresses too. So that argument of 'Kushina and Sakura are tomboys' is BS from NS fans.~ Yes, ino who step in and save sakura from her bullies but do you know she gained confidence from a help of her bestfriend? She became tomboy when she decided to train by Tsunade to save and protect her two boys (naruto and sasuke). Unlike sakura, kushina became tomboy when she became a jinchuriki and you know that people in the village doesn't like to befriend a person who carries a demon fox. She'll never known as a "Red Habanero" if she doesn't have kyuubi inside. Kushina and sakura are indeed tomboy but in different situation. Gets?!
* He did see their moment of Sakura bashing Naruto's head while attempting to heal him, so he assumed they were a couple. I just flat out explained the whole joke, which is: Naruto does or says something stupid (In this case calling Sakura his girlfriend), Naruto gets punched by Sakura, after Sakura gets angry. End joke, resulting in another "Team 7" joke. ~ It's part of comic relief by punching person's head but it doesn't mean that she hates him. She just want to correct his mistakes and you know naruto is kinda "idiot" sometimes. He doesn't have mother to correct his mistakes and foolishness so sakura stood as a mother/sister for naruto (well aside of being his closest friend). When minato asked HER (not naruto) if she is naruto's GF, naruto was the one who responded that she is indeed his GF. I would like to ask you. If minato knows about medic-nins, for all the girls surrounded by his son, why minato asked her if she is naruto's GF? Remember both naruto and minato has same abilities (able to sense human's emotions). And if it's a joke, do you think it is a right way to respond it to his father? If sakura gets angry then why she didn't correct it? If you think that he's joking then it shows he disrespects his father.
* In Sasuke's defense, he was 90% of the time insane and has recently come back to becoming the good guy again. So who knows what he really thinks, you can't assume he doesn't feel anything for Sakura, since he has saved her in the past and even encouraged her sometimes.Even during the Ninja War they are in, he at one point did save her butt yet again from a few enemies. Maybe he does value her as a teammate after all? (To Anti SS fans) Did we see Sakura react with disgust, or indifference if she is over that jerk? . . . Nope. We see Sakura react the way her old self used to when he was in team 7 in the past. If that doesn't say love then I'm scared for society. ~ I don't think that sasuke will change because kishi announce that the finale will be sasuke vs naruto so that means he'll never change, unless his powers became a "yang" release. Can i ask you with actual scene that sasuke's risking his life to save her? I only scanned two panels, the one where sasuke saves sakura from falling and the one where sasuke, along with naruto, saves sakura from Juubi. Do you think these two panels are counted as sasuke's "heroic way" to save sakura? Yes, sasuke did value his former teammates a little but did you see how she reacted when she asked why he's in the battlefield and also she remarked of what he's really meant of being a hokage. If you've seen her face, it looks kinda worried and concerned (it simply means "distrust"). And in previous chapter when sai asked about trusting sasuke, she gave a "fake smile". Yes, she didn't shown her "disgust" reaction but her "fake smile", "distrust looks" and "sad face" (when sasuke mentioned that she and kakashi are useless) are always there...i think you might as well have a second thought about these pairings.
To be fair, i also read your comments and respect your perceptions about your fave pairings but i'm trying to elaborate what you've stated because there are parts that i would like to correct. I'm not
such a narusaku shipper but when i follow and understand the story, i gave my full support for narusaku as an endgame. Well, you stated here "Don't complain that it is long, since others have. No one is forcing anyone to read through it all at once!" to me, it's like indirectly way of telling and forcing the reader to read your statements. If you think that your comment is quite long, rephrase it and if you have a doubt that the reader might give negative views on your comments, then don't post your comment here. Simply as that, right? BTW, this is shonen, a package of actions and dramas and not romantic novels.
Good day and Happy reading!
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thank you very much for the wall text, I'll read it when I don't feel much productive
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Okay, I made that into my newest rant, please read that instead because I added some more stuff, and it is more detailed than this one.
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ofc I will, thanks for sharing and sorry if I was being rude, I'll read your rant, I'm looking forward to it
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I forgive you, yea!!!! 
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Haha...it looks like koshej is non- asian, so i tried to post it in Tagalog. I really laughed so hard when i applied my statements in google translator. Yes, "Nakakatawa" means funny and yes, most of his comments has no sense at all.
The second paragraph is not related to your conversation with him. The paragraph is like a slang word or idioma for example "ahas" (snake) means traitor or kilos-pagod (turtle act) means slow. Maluwag ang tornilyo (loose screw) means ....yup, in other words, he needs psychiatric help..hehehe
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I hope you realize how much of an IDIOT you make yourself by talking so rudely about me BEHIND MY BACK.
Not that you said anything SMART anyways, but that's besides being a caveman you ARE.
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Omg o_o it's really interesting to know these all thanks for the brief teaching about filipino especially the slank words tho...
I try to nice to him at first cause I don't have any idea if it's him who trolling to every single post of ns and attack them. That was my first dev, and I'm just trying to be nice cause I really don't know him for godsake. So I was just follow my instinct, even I ain't good on debate, he even insults me to use proper english and busy lecturing me about how good & romantic the story of nh is, he doesn't even read all the manga for godsake so why should I debate something he didn't even read in the first place for?
It seems you handle that situation and have well experience of this kind of stuff better than me haha
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I wasn't ATTACKING you.
But yes, I won't TOLERATE STUPIDITY.
BYE.
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Well actually, he's not good in english, too...hehehe. It's good to have a chat with him here in DA because it's like you're communicating a hot-tempered, preschooler. Anyway, i like how you manage to talk with him in a nice way without showing any signs of defeat.
I salute you!!! ^_^
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Hahaha thanks alot!
It's because we support narusaku anyway, there are tons of evidents of them, beside narusaku has more moments in manga, it's the advantage to ship ns. So it just takes little analysis to throw back
We aren't like certain ships who like bringing back certain moment up again and again because their ship doesn't has enough moments to compete with :')
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Nakakatawa naman ito si Koshej...hahaha. Halatang walang alam kung ano ang pinagsusulatan niya dito sa komento. napakahaba ang komento mo dito, wala pa rin ka-sense. Parang gusto ko kumain ng langgam habang nagbasa ng statements mo dito....hahaha
Ano ang nangyari sa yo 'tol? Maluwag na ba ang tornilyo mo ngayon??..hahaha Magpatingin ka nga sa M.H. Kamustahin mo na lang ako sa nanay mo.
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Oooooh I can't believe you really wrote this in your language
I used google translate for real, I don't understand it a bit pardon me XD
Does "nakakatawa" mean funny? XD
So you read these comments of him but you've found it makes no sense
Uh... I hardly understand the 2nd paragraph, uh... you confuse what happen to my conversation with him so he gave up on me?
I'm trying...hehehe
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That was beautiful! I hope Sakura realizes her feelings for Naruto soon!
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yeah, all the evidents on manga stand and it's just take more steps for sakura to realize it! ^^
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Love how you compile these panels into one big art.
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thank you >o< yes, it's indeed one big art.
it's interesting how kishi's words could easily interpret to manga panels and it's fit!
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I read all the comments about this art and i saw this obnoxious koshej..hahaha. Please try to ignore this preschooler because he's trying to get attention from sakura and narusaku fans.
Are you a malaysian?
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I'll say it in YOUR language this time:
FUCK OFF.
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Oww thank you, these such kind words. Thank you for taking your time to read it, it's really long tho o_o
Yeah, he clearly not trying to read my so-called-wall-text. But it's okay, not just like him who have faith in what he ships. Beside that's first time a nh attacked me through my dev, so I want to hear some his opinion. I don't realize at first that he's currently the one who has been trolling to every single of ns post.
So as you've seen there, he gave up when I talked about our calendar
No, actually I'm indonesian, it's near malaysia tho.
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You wanna see some REAL trolling???
You know - ZERO facts, ZERO tact, 9000% hate.
Here look at some RECENT ones:
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ALL of them in the last MONTH...
And you DARE to call ME a "troll"???
Hint: I haven't posted a single ANTI dev AT ALL, let alone anything as (C)RUDE.
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Hi old friend,
Is that so? Then your bussiness is with them not me
You admit you're a troll that's why you're looking for anyone whose you thought worse than you. We're seeking for kind of us, aren't we?
And you feel proud because you haven't posted a single dev at all?
sorry i know i supposed to call you koshej not "troll"
Look there are indeed many antis outthere, why are you behave as if you've just seen it for the first time? If you don't like it just don't ever cross it. Why are you so offended about it? If you think they aren't true just laugh it off and you can't do a thing about it. Why me have to tell you this?
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Hi, IDIOT.
Cause I said I posted zero 'ANTI' devs - but I did post a lot of 'PRO' ones.
NOT my fault you lack a brain to CHECK it.
TROLLING means having an 'opinion' NOT based on actual FACTS - like those devs I showed you.
And I *AM* offended by STUPIDITY.
Like yours in the last post TOO.
BYE.
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since when you even bother to my opinion?
Is there nothing in this manga has teached to you except naruhina?
you did not even read naruto in first place, people like you who read nothing but romance, you aren't in place for lecturing me
say whatever you like because your words mean nothing and watch your mouth!
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oH WOW!!! The Sensitive, Great Koshej came back again with new vocabulary word of the day "TROLLING". ^_^
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i thought you're malaysian because of your name. ^_^
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So you know the meaning behind my name? XD
Nah bahasa indonesia is a bit similar to malayu language
It has meaning "red umbrella", it's not often I met asian and they bring up my name. I purposely have my name in bahasa indonesia so people with same origin would know that I similar to them.
Nah it's pleasant to meet nice person like ya ^^
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I think indonesians are also nice too. ^_^
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I wonder if there will ever be a 4th databook....
The stuff still makes sense to this day though, she hasn't found an answer.
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me too, it's been ages since db 3 and I wonder why we haven't got the fourth yet, maybe kishi chooses to focus more on the the end of naruto and he doesn't want to reveal the spoiler on db. Maybe he would make the databook after naruto ends, he should. But there will ever be 4th db or not, some stuff are pretty much revealed already in manga, it's up to how the readers comprehend the manga I think, well and it's relative tho.
Omg are you inferno on h&e too?? I'm your fan o,o (pardon me)
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Yes I am Inferno on H&E too, thank you for enjoying my posts, its a good website other great fans like LadyGT, Toastywarrior, Chatte, and so on
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Yes I'm originally from tumblr, that's the place I met Chatte, ladyGT, James S Cassidy, arian_rad, BlueStarSaber, and so on . I joined H&E because Chatte posted some meta or discussion she got from H&E on tumblr some years ago. I'm just a plain member on H&E but I frequently read threads whenever the chapter comes out.
I really enjoy read the threads, you are one of kind who always catch my eyes, and you're right it's a good website with great fans 
so... this is such an honor to talk with you, pardon me
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Eh its no big deal, I mean when stuff like today occurs as it did, its just more stuff for fans to chat "kill sakura kill sakura" I mean this happened with Sasuke's attempt to kill her, before the war, when the tree hit her (though it was a shock to see shikamaru in critical condition), then to use her life for naruto, now this with madara throwing the rod. Many are saying Kill her again and again, I'm not concerned.
It's situations like this I say Sakura's defense to keep from dying isnt say something like obito saving her (be it something like not wanting a repeat with what happened to rin) or warping her to the battlefield, her save isnt necessarily just having her own healing power released be it creation rebirth or strength of 100 I mean tsunade survived a sussano impalement, this is a rod., I say her save is because, well there are future plot events that would need her. Like yes she is in that aspect of team 7 for the ending, how can you not have team 7 without sakura? Not to mention what is the impact that both naruto and sasuke have had on her? Shes been around from the start, theres no way what she did, regarding her whole progession in the story, just suddenly stops. I mean other characters who died or knew they would had some recollection or realization with impacts going forward, but those were based on ideals, not social stuff which is where sakura is concerned. I feel it would be odd, if kishi just killed her yet gave her nothing of well, leaving her mark as others did espcially since she is a main character. I doubt she will be killed off, wounded maybe, at best only a temporary death if obito manages a rinne tensei in the end if he were to regain or reuse madaras rinnegan one last time. But I just dont see the death happening even though its another cliffhanger event like this. Its like one part, yes its just for the whole story, we know naruto will succeed, we know sasuke will return in the end, but its just so out of place for sakura to just not be present. I mean otherwise fate is a ruthless jerk with a sick sense of humor in that some stuff works out but the hero who succeeds in everything still fails for the girl he wanted to be with. My answer to this current situation is one part, the story, her role as a main just going away suddenly, it leaves so many blanks that just cannot or wont fit with others like karin or hinata. The other part, well Obito is right there, we know he will die, at some point, this was bound to happen. Maybe its just idealism saying he will save her to avoid a repeat of rin or take the blow for her but sakura has purpose beyond this situation, I mean if the whole kushina thing wasn't a foreshadow for insert a pairing in the end, and its been forwarded a bit by 631, while the other one, 663 well that gave me another thought, simple, naruto and sasuke are to fight over who becomes hokage, thats the presumed new reason for their fight aside from the past reasons. We just saw Sakura supporting him to the point she wants him to live to achieve his dream. So it makes sense to say she would support naruto over sasuke when the time comes but this is rendered impossible or incomplete with the kushina stuff if sakura is killed off. But I doubt this will happen, as many haters are just wanting sakura gone for the sake of they hate her or they want NH to come, but even this does the worst thing to hinata, it makes her an overly convenient set-piece, she isnt even a character at that point if it comes to it. Its take away a character that has changed dynamically and experienced many high and low events who herself has seen the impact of her choices on the one she doesn't love and the one she does love (despite the crap he has pulled). Sakura has been impacted by naruto and sasuke and impacted naruto (not so much sasuke) in return. Hinata just being there is well, she was conveniently available if it comes to it, no issues NH would happen simply because sakura was gone, no dynamics, not much development, hinata already loves him so its just a setpiece waiting to be used at that point if sakura really were to die. But even I believe kishi has some sense of not just overly simplying a character like her to that point right? We can only hope.
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That's... I agree and remember when anti said that narusaku represents sakura as naruto's prize? or because she is the heroine, then hero and heroine should together in the end? or sakura doesn't deserve naruto's love because she mean to him in the past? or she is a slut if she's changing her feeling from naruto to sasuke?
Personally, I think they speak as they know better about idealism theirself, when they actually no. They entirely wrong.
As you say, sakura's save is because there will be future events that need her. What is team 7 without sakura? I mean, Rin died, how can people think possibility of sakura's dying? What is the moral of the "history repeat itself" and it stop when it comes to naruto who achieving all his dream? What's the moral of minato and kushina died before they raising naruto and become family and sakura's die--his love-interest die? What's the moral of tsunade's regretting because it's too late to admit her feelings for jiraiya if sakura fails too?
She's one of the main characters. She's the main character's love interest. You can tell that she's more important than neji. From what I see in the fandom, why is she so underated? After hinata, even lee or neji? I don't think idealism is wrong, if you asked me. I think idealism should there, good writer should put idealism in his story, if he want it to be acknowledge well by readers even society. That's why Kira's justice would never win againts L, though I enjoy his very moments of winning againts L. Idealism will never allowed criminals to win. But the good is he's redeemed before his last breathe and I don't think sakura will admit her feelings for naruto before her dying, and hinata takes her role. It just repeat obito's story. Naruto will never die in this manga, sakura either.
And sakura as a "prize"? what about naruto to be hinata's "prize"? Ugh, I know how bad what has been she experience is. Her closest family die, Neji. At first I believe neji would take care of her well but he died. As hard I think what lies in hinata's future is, I still can't predict it. Who will take care of her? What will happen to her undying love for naruto? Has she ever consider naruto's feeling toward another girl? Does she care? What's so special about her that I should reconsider about her well-being?
As sakura doesn't deserve naruto's love because she mean to him in the past? or she is a slut if she's changing her feelings from naruto to sasuke? I left it here because it's not even worth discussing.
She always there, she's been around from the start. She's one of people who naruto told her if he's a jinchuuriki himself, sakura of all people. She's one of his comrades who know Jiraiya's death. I mean it blatantly obvious why kishi made her to be tsunade's apprentice. So she could always watch over him as how tsunade and jiraya's relationship goes it's similar with naruto and sakura's. she's purposely put there, so she'll be the woman who really knows him, try to understand him, to dig up the feelings he always try to hide, to take off the mask he always put there, to support his dream when no one even give a damn about it. "Always try to act cool..." this line state by Rin/Tsunade I recall, and it's kinda fit with sakura to naruto.
It's alright. Kishi has choosen sakura to be the main character, the love-interest. Whatever the fans call her, and hope her dying to death. It's really easy to understand this manga, people just trolling and it's not even funny.
Oooh and thank you for sharing it to me ^^
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Of course this is just stuff I share with people.
But one common aspect is this:
To many fans who hate NS or just Sakura, anything she merits makes her useless or doesn't count as caring. Aspects like the Kushina foreshadow being in line with 631 are considered impossible or a joke (when its actual manga content and 631s short moment being the only thing in the manga so far with anything like that, apparently minato either doesnt know his wife or trying to inject realism into this story rather then taking it as a clue as a member of the audience is perfect reason to disregard it) while just reiterating the stuff on 615s hand holding by a cover, opening, and ending makes a difference and means canon (yet the manga hasn't gone anywhere with hinata on this beyond 633 doing the same stuff as usual and naruto's focus from that moment having been shown more focused on neji, not hinata) thats just it.
Like 631 and 662 kishi could have wrote it differently but both times had either Sakura involved in the part while hinata was just out of these, left in the ground. He didn't need to do that, hinata could have gone but she didnt, and she didnt do anything indirectly. I'm still waiting to see how she is Kagyuas reincarnation as some speculated.....
I mean its just that, does hinata or anyone else fit sakura's role on team 7? No they don't. Many other girls are either not involved or developed enough, while Sai being a member of team 7, his purpose was to regain his emotions not be a simple soldier, he did that but doesnt know the full conflict either.
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You're right. It's sad how society treat her like that, I've read accross comments regarding her new main role now in latest naruto game how she deserve some justice, while some people still don't like she has that role to stand equal by naruto and sasuke. And people more like judge by cover, than the actual stuff in manga. Do they ever consider if anime crew can do everything they want even biased to the anime? Bleach has gone through same issue too. Tite seems rather using orihime to put on the advertise/campaign and the anime crew is biased to ichiruki. So the ichihime often use it for evidents, while the manga much more ichiruki.
I like how kishi potrays sakura actually, she's nothing from noble clan, she doesn't has such complex tragedy background. She's an ordinary girl, maybe that's why people don't like her stand equal to two descendants of rikudo sennin.
I can accept how plain she is and watch her blooming into battlefield by developing herself rather than kishi has to write something like hinata's so people would pity her. She's really independent woman, while people see her useless because sometimes her feeling got in the way, on the other hand hinata's more gain sympathy of her so not helping feeling toward naruto which doesn't even relate to main plot at all. I despise the "joking" comments regarding kushina 's, minato's and naruto's words, because it made by anti/haters. But I can't when people saw her like the most important person in naruto's life along with the first person who acknowledge him which is bullshit and they defend her because of her shyness.
Yes kishi has to gone by that far to get hinata off the box. He has to do that, by her lying in ground that her shining moment's off so her fans couldn't defend her anymore. No, I can't think about possibility her being kaguya's reincarnation. She'll be more like queen and people will praise her continously.
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Its the U.S., or otherwise people just being crazy for stupid reasons.
But it was rather, because the fandom pre 631 was absorbed by Kushinas foreshadow saying there will be an ending pairing, the main upset was that this occured 16 chapters after NH's big scene as some put it and people flipped out over naruto still loving sakura and then resorted to calling the kushina stuff pointless.
We were right about the kushina being like sakura stuff and people didnt believe us but its not our fault so many lacked a basic general reading ability, I mean its a graphic novel how hard does one need to look or think about one event being similar to another? People flipped out at this moment and basically wanted to give up the series when this happened. NH and SS fans were upset with this one chapter as it gave a hint to what could come but rather than even consider it, people said wait till he meets hinata or its just a joke or that naruto confused girlfriend as lover and girlfriend as girl who is a friend. People were just, sadly it was a mess, so many fans flipped at this it was good for NS fans but NH and other anti ns fans just went berserk over this.
At this point most of us dont even make a deal over the pairing stuff because well, NS has gotten a good amount of focus, otherwise you get the crazies who just want to go and degrade any NS stuff because the NH or SS evidence is so limited, rather than argue for their pairings, they focus on trying to degrade others.
Some always resort to the whole "kishi is a troll or messing with the pairings" um no, he actually doesn't because if he was going out of his way to do this stuff, the whole romance subplot wouldnt be in the mess it is now. Its rather just intent, if he put the kushina foreshadow in and put it forward with 631 its just intended hints, not actively messing with pairings, but its easier to call him a troll or say he is messing around than to actually think and try to follow a sense of his writing style.
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I agree with all of those...
I've ever discussed with derangedoctor about how people tends to call kishi a troll for the sake of their shipping preferance. Instead of try to comprehend the way the manga goes, and sense of his writing style as you state. Kishi maybe not the best writer outthere but gain such as insult from his own fandom from 'wrong' people just... it's very out of place.
Yes, he actually can develop any other pairing beside the main one, but there are certain things we should to focus more and filter which the main idea, which is not. In this case, relationship between naruto's parent is should put above other along with his relationship with team 7, iruka, tsunade, jiraiya, etc. Other words, their words are matter the most. I personally never seen the girlfriend comment happening, it's really overhelming when kishi chose to warp this up on 631. It's really brief but vital, how it become the resolve of kushina's dying message.
For the sake of their ship, they blatantly said naruto shouldn't follow his parents advice because they don't even raise him in first place. Do minato and kushina look like a very bad person to them? Really? It's not like they will be left naruto below mission if they alive.
You're right, people are just making excuse from what they really afraid to see, is narusaku happening. And naruto being confuse of the girl friend and girlfriend meaning? Really? Why kishi should write something that would confuse the reader? It's really easy to read the manga. I don't know if people really lack of basic general reading, they know but ignore and chose to call kishi a troll and lecturing us.
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