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Snowflower--Chan00 In reply to ??? [2014-06-19 01:31:26 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very well said.
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Snowflower--Chan00 In reply to Koshej [2014-06-19 15:35:56 +0000 UTC]
Eh, sorry for bothering you.
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Koshej In reply to Snowflower--Chan00 [2014-06-19 15:53:28 +0000 UTC]
You didn't.
I just had nothing more to say.
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payung-merah In reply to ??? [2014-02-11 05:41:10 +0000 UTC]
Nice one. but as you can see naruto is shonen manga, we're not considering girl's feeling, it's about the male. Even if you see from that pov, sakura's feeling are the most to consider when it comes to love, you should. why? maybe i just wondering, when it comes to naruto manga, i always put the whole team 7 relationship above others, naruto and sasuke, sasuke and sakura, and the last naruto and sakura. why hinata were made? why her presence always evolve around naruto? why her feelings are sigificance enough for the plot? again, it's shonen manga, and naruto's dream is to be hokage. we've been watching with our very own eyes, that naruto is we called "zero to hero" man. he's motto is never give up (not that same shit again), "never go back his words" is "copyright" to him. but dont you think he has another choice? why naruto always be devoted to sasuke? dont you think he has another choice? he has many friends of course, there's gaara whom they shared same trait as loneliness. but why? why he's so willing to bring back sasuke? and then the real deal is, why naruto always devote to sakura? dont you think he has another choice? this is what i want to point here. hinata was made because kishi want readers know that naruto has another choice. to made a character like hinata who just evolve around naruto is really easy, and it would make the readers think her love is true. but nope, he has never considering it. (it's true that we had naruto flashback back in pain arc about hinata's brave and hinata also has unpleasant feeling that she always to save by naruto. dont you think their relationship just hero-hero relationship?) It's nice that hinata fixed naruto's shoulder back in 615. and naruto's thanking her because she's at his side at the moment to support him. and here i point the at the moment, hinata indeed in naruto's sied, but just for a moment. Why didnt she done it earlier back then? why she never try to know naruto out of mission and war thing? that's wy her knowledge about naruto is just about his nindo. in regards of 615, dont you think it's simply the resolve of chuunin exam arc where neji and hinata still fighting over up and lower branch family stuff? part 1 naruto was really pissed off there, we could tell neji has bullied hinata. but what we got in 615? neji died protecting both hinata and naruto. he even died with smile, he said himself that "not just him or hinata would save naruto, but everyone would do the same". everyone's willing to save naruto, whether his parents, his sensei, his friends and some random shinobi. it's just the matter of pov, i clearly dont see this scene as romantic as nh claims. but i really proud of hinata, with her fast action and her feelings toward naruto backed up even left sakura with jaw-dropped lol. why hinata's feeling move you but not naruto's? again, why dont you think kishi made minato comment about naruto and sakura relationship? i know people have different perspective on this, but as ns fan i simply surprise, because of minato comment it all out that he compare sakura to his wife. why did kishi do such a thing? yeah, he is troll, whatever but why it being related to kushina's last word? it doesnt matter what perspective people think, but minato and kushina's line it's simply related. why everyone say naruto were joking? it clearly another evident that he's still hoping for sakura's love. the "girlfriend" question were directed to sakura, but naruto simply replied it to his own father. and he's not joking in front of his father's soul in the middle of war. yeah, dont forget about the "comic relief" part, i just wanna ask why people see it like a big deal? it's a common situation between them, it more even point out that their relationship never change since 469 occured. naruto hasn't change, sakura's neither. it's good to see. but of course in real life you dont have to marry he person who your parents comment with. again, it's manga and every things in stand in with others, everythings are related. And it will be wasted such masterpiece if kishi put things just for trolling around.
as for hinata, love is complex things. it's not simply like a girl who admire a boy from afar, got hand hold with him (got a cover) and everyone claim she in love with him. no, love is understanding, communication, support and more significance is interaction between them and so on. Ns clearly win this, because hinata and naruto barely have interaction in manga. as you said, hinata's feeling are often potrays in manga, but it shouldnt made you forget the main character's feelings. as if you said, that naruto's feeling arent considering much in manga. I have to disagree, naruto is not hinata. he doesnt have to say "sakura-chan, sakura-chan, sakura-chan" to make everyone believe that naruto still in love with her. His honorific for sakura has never change, it's enough to convince people. in regards to pain arc, hinata has a really big show there, i wont comment it, she brave enough to die in front of naruto without considering how naruto would devastated to see his friend die in front of him. as for sakura, (i know she just scream naruto's name out, and he just appeare just in time, what a coincidence...) and she stay in her spot, waiting for naruto to return safely, and grateful to see he's safe and hit him because of his careless. more like wife role, isnt it?
from the latest chapter, sakura (well-donely) put in naruto's side, she always there. funny, because it contradict with naruto has said in 615 (excuse me, did naruto just joking back then?). and that was the major deal, naruto is in deathbed, but who we get there? it's sakura. the girl he loves (i never think about naruto change his feelings, naruto never give up!) who by his side, getting him alive by holds his heart. funny line, isnt it? and hinata tripped just another symbolism that she would never reach naruto. but, judge from your pov, you dont consider symolism, right?
as nh potrays about obirin and nh paralel. i have to disagree too, because it's clearly as obito said "by taking care of me, you save the world" and then obito promised to rin to become hokage but he fail.
and as for sakura, if what she's doing back there in 469, i beg you to forgive her. kishi selfly said her character potrays human weakness. And we're human, eventough our purpose are good, we make mistake. so why hinata's feeling move you but not sakura's?
nice to talk with you!
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-11 07:18:01 +0000 UTC]
0. I hate text walls...
1. As far as I know, Hinata was made (not as a ninja, but as Naruto's LOVE INTEREST) BEFORE both Sakura AND Sasuke were even planned.
I haven't seen any REAL proof AGAINST this.
And if you want proof FOR it, try my gallery (and Naruto data books).
Which means that NaruHina PREDATES even Team 7.
2. "Never give up" DOESN'T apply to FEELINGS.
And even more so, it's exactly BECAUSE he CARES so much for Sakura, he CAN leave her to Sasuke (who's GOOD now) - for HER happiness.
3. Who are YOU to reject CANONICALLY TRUE Hinata's feelings, especially since Sakura's were shown to be CANONICALLY FALSE.
Maybe you should make YOUR OWN Naruto manga - THEN you can disregard CANON stuff.
4. And so on and so forth...
See 0.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-11 09:31:10 +0000 UTC]
woa thank you for your lead. I have just seen your gallery, i enjoy it because no nh has show it nicely. If can i want to read and see every rant, back up, and some evidence of your ship too. Ive read the comment that said "hinata first being a villager but then became ninja" that's the only fact i recall, naruto in the background doesnt make something obvious.
do you know about "april 4 the day naruto fall in love with sakura" in shonen jump 2010 calendar? If u already saw it i wanna know your opinion
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-11 11:48:04 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for liking it.
I make it to promote LOVE, not spread HATE.
Which is why I fight so hard against HATERS...
As of NaruSaku - Naruto LIKED Sakura in Part One, no doubt.
Look, IF NOT for 437 (major pro-NH) and 469 (major anti-NS) - there WAS a pretty equal LOGICAL chance for BOTH girls.
But Kishi did a big job in ruining Sakura in regards to NaruSaku, while constantly promoting and reminding us of NaruHina.
Please, read my dev on Anna K. - which is basically THE reason(s) I don't see even a (canon-logical) CHANCE for NaruSaku as of NOW.
Back THEN, it WAS a plausible option - but it got ruined by Kishi himself beyond reasonable repair level.
I mean, he CAN end up with NaruSaku, even give it a sudden boost by making Sakura confess truthfully - but it WOULD be a horrible ASSPULL to do so NOW, after ALL that ANTI-NaruSaku stuff Kishi himself put into the manga.
So, YES, it still can HAPPEN - but, NO, it doesn't MAKE SENSE anymore.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-11 15:47:56 +0000 UTC]
Yeah i understand that you really are a true nh and hinata fans. That's why you always promoting her.
Why naruto's feeling didnt moved you but hinata's? All you can say are about hinata and naruto, and downgrading sakura's character.
Dont you have any comment for sasuke, minato, kushina or anyone (regarding your ship)? Because i clearly see that nh stands alone. It's not good thing, cz when they canon everyone in narutoverse will be surprised with naruto's changing, sakura will be shadow over their relationship. It contradict with pain arc when sakura hug naruto in front of entire villagers and they smile for him. How nh can share their canonization with the world when they dont have back ups? That's why i cant see it works. Nh doesnt have harmony with anyone nor anything. it's boring
And lastly, you havent answered my question. Have you already seen the calendar? It's april 3, the day naruto fall in love with sakura, it's official
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-11 18:24:39 +0000 UTC]
I admire Hinata extremely - it's a matter of personal taste anyways, except that I base it totally on MANGA (and MANGA-compatible ANIME).
I started disliking Sakura after getting into her character's details due to extensive bashing on Hinata - so better blame it on the anti-Hinata trolls, not myself.
I used to like Sakura (in a neutral 'I don't care but I don't hate' way I still feel about Naruto).
As of why I'm NOT a Naruto-fan - probably 'just because', as in he didn't touch any of my inner cords, like Hinata did.
You can call it 'first impression', but after being away from Naruto for a few years and then coming back by seeing a Confession video - I simply got struck with how SELFLESS Hinata acted (precisely in REVERSE to what some NaruSaku zombies try to blame her for).
Then I also started READING the manga (I didn't before), and the feeling got WAY stronger.
And it stayed up till this very day, which means I doubt it'll ever go away, unless we see something horrible and extremely OOC from Hinata.
Sakura simply doesn't give me that 'martyr in love' feeling, that makes me so sympathetic towards Hinata.
Again - it IS a matter of personal taste.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-11 23:07:37 +0000 UTC]
that's just like i though, because you're not like any other nh that talk about naruto manga in general and use it for their ship. i cant blame you for personal taste too if but you cant blame sakura because she's not in your personal taste. hinata and sakura did really different and has contrast character, i think kishi did in purpose too, to make naruto choose between two different type girls. so you cant blame her if she has bad character i think. i personally think hinata is the symbolism of young girls that fall in love. there's a singer in my country that write a love song inspired by her too, it's great for her. you know you shouldnt be some of those nh too, because not all the ns are "ns zombies" lol but i think naruto is not romance rated story, so you should consider other things especially team 7 relationship thanks for sharing your personal though
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-11 23:30:42 +0000 UTC]
I know that NOT all NSers are zombies - I even had NICE discussions with a few (VERY, VERY few).
But it's the TROLLS and BLOCKERS, who really ENRAGE me.
I don't BLAME Sakura (except for Failfession - that WAS really low of her, regardless of intentions), I just don't LIKE her either.
And I must specify - I dislike 'Sakura in NS', not 'general Sakura' or 'Sakura in SS'.
I don't dislike 'general Sakura', but I don't like her either - she's just 'a plain average girl with almost nothing interesting about her'.
I kinda slightly like 'Sakura in SS', cause like I said, she remids me of Bulma, which is a canon pairing - so while I don't like her much even there, she at least has a positive role.
No problem.
Sorry for being kinda rude at times, but I get irritated by some topics way too easily.
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UltranX2010 In reply to Koshej [2014-04-22 20:16:50 +0000 UTC]
dude, if you're talking about me, i only blocked you that time because you wouldn't leave me alone about naruhina at all, i was going to respect your opinion and leave you be but you just wouldn't stop commenting and then when i told you i did in fact have a mental disability, autism, you started saying that having autism makes me stupid, that was going too far. look up autism why don't you and quit hating on me already geez
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Koshej In reply to UltranX2010 [2014-04-22 20:21:35 +0000 UTC]
I don't and never did HATE you as a PERSON.
I do and will continue HATING TROLLING as a type of BEHAVIOR.
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UltranX2010 In reply to Koshej [2014-04-22 20:23:47 +0000 UTC]
and as i said i did not troll you, you're the one that started bashing me and calling me a troll * sweatdrop *
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-12 07:23:08 +0000 UTC]
Im not surprised, not just you who think the way like that. I pretty aware that most of naruto fans judge sakura because of failfession, even before the failfession they dislike her.
Im not going enrage lol. It's true that it was very naive of her to think that naruto will do everything for her if she confessed. But i think kishi made her like that in order to make she fixes her mistake.
And naruto's selfless love as indirectly state in "promise of a lifetime" and sakura's selfless love as indirectly state in "killing sasuke will lift the burden naruto shouldered" wont bring them to anything but going through anything together, shouldered it together will be the best resolvement for their relationship toward their future.
It's true that when it comes to naruto, her self-esteem always appeare. it doesnt matter what people think, she's doing her best for his well being. I dont know what's wrong but it 's just that i think kishi still have many things for ns in term of resolvement under his sleeves.
And my personal belief is any good relationship would born from build-up friendship. Naruto thinks of sakura as a woman he desires, so sis-bro wont work on them.
Sorry if my rants irritate you. I just share my pov as ns, and it's nice to hear your pov as nh too. Thank you
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-12 08:42:32 +0000 UTC]
I DIDN'T dislike Sakura BEFORE Failfession.
In 2012 (which was before I got RE-introduced to Naruto, got introduced to Shippuden, and also started READING manga), I read a fanfiction that had Sakura gruesomely KILLED.
I WAGED A WAR on the writer, literally.
What's FUNNY (now), is that it ALSO had stuff like RTN-style Hinata and even clear SasuHina (and Naruto-bashing) - but I DIDN'T CARE or even NOTICE any of THAT.
I was FOCUSED on DEFENDING Sakura.
Again - that was BEFORE I saw Confession/Failfession, and thus BEFORE I became a 9000% Hinata (and BY EXTENSION, NaruHina) fan.
Since THEN, my opinion of Sakura keeps DETERIORATING more and more, except for the VERY last chapters, where she FINALLY shows her really BADASS side.
I still see her as a 'Bulma', so I kinda 'must' feel at least some respect for her, but NaruSaku is THE feature that RUINS Sakura throughout the ENTIRE manga.
She'd be viewed MORE positively by me, IF she wasn't the pairing-war-material she IS now.
Based on the 'Bulma' reference, I'd even respect her DETERMINATION regarding Sasuke, IF this wouldn't be a source for ASSUMING she does it for... Naruto.
And in a 'romantic' sense nonetheless.
Which again makes her look WORSE, not BETTER.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-12 09:32:21 +0000 UTC]
oh thank you for telling me that, but human makes mistakes and kishi selfly said "He potrays a honest girl (sakura)"
im sorry but i believe in what has kishi done and to be done in the manga are not as bad as you state it
it's not "ruin" sakura's character, it's not keeping more "worse" for sakura's character
that's not that bad. sakura is a complex character, it's same with naruto, sasuke, sai and obito. that's human, they are imperfect.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-12 10:48:59 +0000 UTC]
u didnt even read my message, did you? You enjoy to make me typed all if that and didnt even bother to read, did you?
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-12 10:56:43 +0000 UTC]
No, I just don't know what to answer - that WASN'T said already somewhere somehow.
Like, we KNOW that Sakura is the most "normal human" character, but how's that an EXCUSE for her actual in-universe mistakes???
And I definitely wouldn't put her on the same shelf as Naruto and Sasuke (the Goku and Vegeta ripoffs to say the least).
She's rather unique DUE to being "normal".
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-12 12:06:23 +0000 UTC]
Yeah i think that kishi wanna tell ithat normal people like sakura could has problem too, not just people who has difficult past like naruto and sasuke. Sakura's past may nothing to be compared to them but she tried her best to not to be burden for them. She plays the role of third people between naruto and sasuke whether in part 1 & 2.
Yes, sakura is just normal girl. But it's just the naruto fandom that make it like being normal is a crime.
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-12 12:11:47 +0000 UTC]
I never BLAMED her for being normal.
I just said that it doesn't EXCUSE her mistakes anyways.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-12 13:13:30 +0000 UTC]
it doesnt make it different though
Fandom srcream awfuly if sakura has more scene
fandom scream awfuly if sakura doesnt have much scene
but it seems kishi doesnt support your hates, he promise to make sakura much more heroine-like in this point
he's sorry to dissapointed the fandom because he hasnt yet exposed her all out talents
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-12 15:26:07 +0000 UTC]
I dislike her for her CHOICES (WHY she does something), not ABILITIES (HOW she can do something).
Which is why I said that "being normal" isn't an EXCUSE, when it comes to CHOICES.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-13 02:41:36 +0000 UTC]
At least, she does "something", she cares about naruto's safety, she tried what she think what best for him, "she only thinking of you" sai clearly stated that. This is the same situation when hinata actully did "something" for naruto back in pain arc. Sakura failed, so did hinata. Even itachi just only thinking of sasuke when he killed all his family, and he failed too until he's being reanimated. They were in the same situation, but you cant just support hinata for what the others did too.
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-13 06:52:22 +0000 UTC]
I'm not sure about Itachi, so I'll leave him out of it, but I wasn't talking about INTENTIONS, rather WAYS to ACCOMPLISH those.
Hinata never wanted to ACHIEVE anything but SAVING Naruto (meaning, she NEVER asked anything FROM him, in response or even otherwise), and what's more important, she never MANIPULATED him, EVEN to save HIM - she did what SHE could, HERSELF.
Oh, and SHE didn't FAIL (Naruto WASN'T taken by Pain or Obito), while Sakura DID (Naruto DIDN'T stop chasing after Sasuke, who even ended up as a GOOD guy).
Sakura ALSO wanted to HELP Naruto (but SHE also was a big part of the very REASON she even NEEDED to do so, cue PoaL), but she chose to DO so through MANIPULATING him, instead of trying to EXPLAIN and talking him out of it by HONEST means.
You give her an 'EXCUSE' that SHE was ready for Naruto to even HATE her in the end (meaning, she only cared for his SAFETY) - but you ARE missing a crucial detail here: by doing so, she'd ROB Naruto of his BIGGEST FRIEND (aka HERSELF), which AGAIN is a WRONG way to achieve EVEN his physical safety at the cost of the emotional ANGUISH she'd cause him.
Which is my MAIN reason to dislike her, NOT even her punches or rejections.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-13 12:13:56 +0000 UTC]
Hinata didnt fail? How can you said that? How can you even left itachi out of it? What ive said before that, they indeed in same situation. Hinata was just show off in front of naruto and ended with got stabbed by pain, and then naruto lost control all because of she didnt even do something useful to free him from there. Dont tell me you just watch anime, that was a huge filler.
Okay, maybe sakura was manipulated naruto, yeah she failed, yeah she only thinking of him. I at least admit she's not perfect as human. Im sorry if your goddess is too perfect to at least admit she did fail. Im not surprise, you really are true hinata fan, so you always approve everything she did. But dont you wanna hear an old news? Naruto loves an imperfect girl, we know how obvious who she is. Sorry if your goddess is too perfect to be naruto's type of girl. Im done
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-13 12:48:53 +0000 UTC]
As of Itachi, simple - I never delved much into his intentions and ways to accomplish them.
I mean, WHY did he KILL his clan to begin with?
I'm kinda clueless and confused about it.
But ANYWAYS, that WASN'T anything about man-woman LOVE, like it IS with Hinata and Sakura.
Thus, Itachi is IRRELEVANT to our topic to begin with.
She WOULD fail, IF Kyuubi was extracted OR Naruto killed - by Pain.
DID either thing HAPPEN?
NO.
So she DIDN'T fail - she SAVED him, regardless of HOW.
And she clearly WAS the TRIGGER to the whole ensuing event with Minato, and Naruto going 8-tails to BEAT Deva Path.
That is a FACT.
What I've heard as an ASSUMPTION (which also disregarded that FACT), was that "she endangered him by him going Kyuubi".
Sorry, but this is utter BS - he was ALREADY in MORTAL DANGER by Pain (and the last chapters prove it BEING mortal danger), so she COULDN'T make it WORSE than THAT.
And IN THE END he WON - so her GOAL was accomplished, she SAVED him.
Even IF that was done with Minato's HELP - she still was the TRIGGER that LED to such an END.
And ALL of this is CANON, cause she HELPED by LOSING.
Which doesn't even MATTER, cause I keep telling you that I FOCUS on INTENTIONS - and she DID achieve her GOAL, to SAVE him.
(She never said her GOAL was to CONFESS - that's what YOU merely ACCUSE her of, which isn't CANON at all.)
Going personal, is a sign of surrender.
Do keep that in mind.
Also, I never ever said (nor have even seen done so by others) that Hinata is 'PERFECT'.
What I do keep saying, is that she's INSPIRATIONAL.
Using HER OWN words - she's 'a proud failure', who doesn't GIVE UP on SAVING Naruto.
When APPLICABLE - she's NO big MEDIC, so obviously she CAN'T save him NOW.
But she DID body-shield him already TWICE, which is what ANYONE could DO - even YOUR precious Sakura.
Especially in 614, where Sakura WAS nearby.
Now, DID she?
Nope, cause she was FOLLOWING THE RULES (for medics, by Tsunade) - and disregarding Naruto's PERSONAL SAFETY by doing so.
Well, SHOULD I remind you of what Kakashi told his students WAAAY back in P1???
For your knowledge - the MORE you try bashing Hinata (especially the way you just did), the MORE imperfections will be POINTED out in Sakura as a DIRECT RESULT.
Your CHOICE, really.
Keep HATING - and you'll get it in response, especially since it's EASY to find FLAWS in someone like Sakura (blame Kishi for it, no one else).
Try LOVING (your paring) without BASHING everyone else - and no one will FOCUS on the flaws that YOUR ship HAS.
YOUR CHOICE.
BE WISE.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-13 13:21:28 +0000 UTC]
Said that to yourself because im done.
I never blame how kishi potrays sakura nor hinata, woman are difficult by logic. Sakura's a complex character (how many time ive said this already) that's why her character fit to fill the roll of heroine. To be honest, i really reeaaally like the woman in naruto. So realistic if i should compare it to girls in other manga.
I never being a shipper to begin with. im completely naruto fans, and then i read every pairing rants but i accidentally become a shipper when i read NSers rants. Im not even a shipper when 615 out lol, and i have this straigh face when i read it. I become ns shipper since 631 and until now. But when i still a pure naruto fan i never hate sakura because of her confession. Im assuming that nh were the provocative in this matter.
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-13 13:58:50 +0000 UTC]
Well, IF you go all 'Yamato' and judge Sakura by her LATEST actions ONLY.
BYE.
Cause Hinata was 'INCREDIBLE' already in P1.
www.mangapanda.com/93-85-2/nar…
A promise KEPT and REMEMBERED:
www.mangapanda.com/93-86-7/nar…
www.mangapanda.com/93-110-6/na…
A promise GIVEN and TAKEN BACK:
www.mangapanda.com/93-188-14/n…
www.mangapanda.com/93-38994-4/…
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-13 14:48:01 +0000 UTC]
It has resolved anyway. You never read my "wall text", didnt you?
"...t's nice that hinata fixed naruto's shoulder back in 615. and naruto's thanking her because she's at his side at the moment to support him. and here i point the at the moment, hinata indeed by naruto's side, but just for a moment. Why didnt she done it earlier back then? why she never try to know naruto out of mission and war thing? that's why her knowledge about naruto is just about his nindo.
in regards of 615, dont you think it's simply the resolve of chuunin exam arc where neji and hinata still fighting over up and lower branch family stuff? part 1 naruto was really pissed off there, we could tell neji has bullied hinata. but what we got in 615? neji died protecting both hinata and naruto. he even died with smile, he said himself that "not just him or hinata would save naruto, but everyone would do the same". everyone's willing to save naruto, whether his parents, his sensei, his friends and some random shinobi.
it's just the matter of pov, i clearly dont see this scene as romantic as nh claims. but i really proud of hinata, with her fast action and her feelings toward naruto backed up even left sakura with jaw-dropped lol. why hinata's feeling move you but not naruto's? .." end here
It has resolved. The end. Judge from your reply you are trying to compare blood promise and poal here. That's funny, because if you dont use shipping googles, this both doesnt seem romantic at all. I swear when i was a pure naruto fan.
Blood promise: Naruto promised to beat neji for hinata, in his fight he wasnt just thinking of hinata but lee also.
Poal: naruto promised to sakura to bring sasuke back. Naruto was thinking about his friendship with sasuke and the girl he love's begging him.
Why do we even debat about this? Im afraid i will be antishipper after this.
And as for "a promise given and taken back". Sakura has to understand that the promise naruto gave to her, he never took it as a burden (because sakura though so). Was poal end there? Maybe yes, maybe no. It doesnt matter because the one that hasnt resolved yet is this:
www.mangapanda.com/93-18115-11…
www.mangapanda.com/93-18115-12…
"How can i (confess to her)?..."
Fast or no, naruto self would understand that to confess to a girl doesnt need to fulfill anything but he has already be a great gentle guy for sakura! He already is! Why naruto's give in toward sakura doesnt move you but hinata's?
Sorry if too long. It's really nice to talk with you, frankly.
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-13 16:53:23 +0000 UTC]
It was 617.
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/617/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/617/…
Well, she was TRUSTED by Kiba and Neji in 559 to RECOGNIZE Naruto JUST by looking into his eyes:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/559/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/559/…
LOL, you are AIDING NaruHina, cause Naruto WAS pissed off by Neji then, yet he ALSO focused on Hinata.
He could've just sit silently and think something like: "Neji, I'll show you, how wrong you are."
Instead, he kept ENCOURAGING Hinata, who was fighting Neji currently - even when the PROCTOR (a PROFESSIONAL shinobi) though her defeated.
Yet Naruto cheered her up - and she STOOD UP.
She lost only due to Neji being objectively MUCH stronger - NOT due to not WANTING to win.
She literally gave her best - and all this ONLY due to Naruto CHEERING her up, not merely BEING there.
He ACTIVELY interacted with her.
Also, she was the ONLY one that he showed his WEAK side - the 'proud failure' moment.
NOBODY ELSE has seen past Naruto's cheery MASK - ONLY Hinata, and at Naruto's own initiative.
That alone is enough to say that Hinata is SPECIAL for Naruto, even if FOR NOW it's mere friendship.
So don't you DARE accuse Hinata of acting bad towards Naruto - especially since it's nothing but YOUR off-screen ASSUMPTIONS.
Or be responsible and SHOW me, where we SEE any BAD thoughts that Naruto HIMSELF has about her.
So, DO it - or SHUT UP.
(Let me guess - you'll IGNORE it and/or will go personal on ME instead, RIGHT???)
WOULD =/= DID.
Sakura was there too - did she even THINK anything about Naruto being in danger???
And don't bring up RECENT chapters, where there's NO ONE to REPLACE Sakura - so OF COURSE she'll do her BEST as a MEDIC.
I'm not saying it's romantic.
I'm saying that Naruto has been paying WAY too much ATTENTION at Hinata throughout the entire manga, to IGNORE it as 'insignificant'.
ESPECIALLY given how Kishi REMINDS us that Hinata LOVES Naruto pretty often, while NOT making Sakura have a SINGLE honest "LOVE" thought towards him.
Seriously, from the FACTUAL side of manga - NaruSaku is ALWAYS looking for EXCUSES to keep shipping them: 'tsundere' stereotype, 'Sakura not knowing her true OR upcoming feelings', 'Naruto never giving up on Sakura' and so on.
LOOK - sorry, but ALL of the above are JUST ASSUMPTIONS, there's NO actual CANON proof for Sakura LOVING Naruto, or ever GOING to.
It's ONLY in YOUR wishes.
(Now, go and say: "But Naruto will NEVER love Hinata." And THEN dare saying that NaruHina fans are the ones making the OFFENSIVE ASSUMPTIONS.)
And you AREN'T an ANTI already???
Hmmm:
*Sorry if your goddess is too perfect to be naruto's type of girl. Im done*
Pretty ANTI.
And STUPID.
Naruto CLEARLY said there that he WILL bring Sasuke back - but NOT because Sakura ASKED him to.
That's the point - he NEGATED that PROMISE, even if he's still planning on DOING the ACTION.
And why don't you speak understandable English?
I'm not saying it's your fault, but I couldn't decipher a lot of what you said...
Sorry, if I sometimes get angry, but SOME things that you say are REALLY biased enough to enrage me.
Ciao.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-13 17:49:31 +0000 UTC]
I might become anti that's because of you. You dont know how provocative you are, do you? Sorry for my english too, im not a training debaters and nothing good to defeat trollers.
So the DB doesnt seem canon enough for you? Kishi selfly said "naruto makes sakura's heart beats faster", "what does she feel about naruto? Sakura hasnt found the answer" do you really need my lead? Because that's pathetic to get lead by who doesnt so clever in english than you. Maybe i read it wrong. Maybe the translator is NSer
Naruto was specializing hinata? That was the same line as what most nh said according to 615, "naruto was favoritism hinata! He held her hand!" The other old news you hve to know that naruto is the main character who has a really inspiring character than hinata. He's very sympathy toward everyone! Not just hinata! And there's no favoritism for naruto, he gave everything his best for save those precious friend of him. But, you cant neglect the team 7 relationship, because it's the most matter in manga, sakura's count too. Kishi makes her presence at least matter in the main plot.
Hinata literally gave her best? She literally just watch him from afar and you called it her best? It's good that hinata cheering him from "outside", but does she really know what naruto felt inside? What he has been through? Does she even aware of kyuubi before the war? Does she aware of jiraiya's death? Or do you care about the main plot anymore aside your precious hinata?
Failfession: Sakura clearly knew what naruto would answer that he would reject her. But she tried to help naruto by her own way (kill sasuke) but confessed anyway. So did hinata. She knew that she would fail against pain, but she tried to defend naruto and confess anyway. It's still same whether you see it from any point but what make different is, Hinata admitted that she was being selfish, but sakura was only thinking of naruto. Now that do you admit that she's being selfish?
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-13 18:21:05 +0000 UTC]
Maybe that's what Kishi thinks - but I don't see him SHOWING it so far.
Also, he MIGHT be TROLLING you as well, since he still does a LOT of NaruHina moments throughout the entire manga.
Which is kinda AGAINST being such a big NStard as you are depicting him to be.
Oh, and which DB, which page???
Cause MAYBE it's even FAKE - until I SEE it.
Also, anyways, DBs are VERY outdated - they don't even cover Confession, let alone Failfession.
Or another 200+ chapters of the manga afterwards.
So I wouldn't rely on DBs much.
No, he TALKS to her way MORE than he "should".
Also, like I said, and you ignored - in 558/9 and 615 he spent so much MORE time and attention on Hinata than Sakura.
***
Sakura in 558:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/558/…
(less than 1 page of dialogue)
...
Hinata in 558/9:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/558/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/558/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/559/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/559/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/559/…
(over 5 pages of dialogue)
...
...
Hinata in 615:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
(4 pages of monologue)
...
Naruto in 615:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
(3 pages of monologue)
...
Sakura in 615:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
(gaping for air, lol)
...
...
Oh, wait - no, NO REPETITION here:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/615/…
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/559/…
LOOOL
...
And Naruto is so SELFISH:
www.mangapanda.com/naruto/628/…
Just like Hinata:
www.mangapanda.com/93-442-10/n…
Maybe that's why he SAID it on a panel with HER, ah?
LOOOOOL
Haters gonna hate and tolls gonna troll - that's a known rule of life...
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-14 01:23:50 +0000 UTC]
Kishi didnt troll, why should wsste over panels and ruin such masterpiece? Oh yeah because some shipper who swear to kill him if he doesnt give what they want.
I dont need to show a fake page at your face. And tbh i dont think i should give you lectures about my ship because you wouldnt care anyway.
You can search it in DB 3 (the latest db), or at least you should bother to read my dev above.
Of couse naruto's being selfish becausd he's facing with obito and madara. May i remind you that's naruto's character who never give up, he sound selfish maybe but that's not make him similar with hinata. Hinata just did it when naruto's watching her, when it always come to naruto. But naruto did it for everyone, not just sakura.
This is the SJ calendar i talk about, in case if you care:
narutoxsakura-fc.deviantart.co…
Kishi may reveals the story behind it sooner or later
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Koshej In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-14 10:21:35 +0000 UTC]
Calendar first:
And how's that any proof that he won't STOP liking her 3 years later?
OR won't care for HER feelings over HIS - which means SasuSaku?
It will be of any value ONLY retroactively and ONLY if NaruSaku actually happens.
So far, it's useless.
Kishi doesn't waste panels, which I kinda showed you, didn't I?
I DO care for FACTS, so if you have a REAL NaruSaku FACT - I'm eager to look at it.
The thing is that I haven't yet seen ANY real NaruSaku (manga) FACTS that hint at Sakura being ROMANTIC for Naruto - only fan ASSUMPTIONS and INTERPRETATIONS.
You are way too eager to interpret her CARE as ROMANCE - while I'm NOT, until Sakura SAYS it herself, like Hinata KEEPS DOING.
You seem to ignore that DBs are way OUTDATED...
naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sha_no_S…
The LAST one was posted in September 2008, which is equivalent to Chapter 402 at best.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…
YEAH, VERY 'RELEVANT' to Confession, Failfession and so on.
Biased hate is the blindest thing ever...
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-14 22:40:58 +0000 UTC]
im sorry, dont have to do that. Then 2010 SJ calendar is the my best real official ns fact so far. Sorry to dissapoint you if it doesnt convince you enough. you can show me if nh has a calendar too. Until that you may call my calendar useless, pointless or whatever
And who said im a hater? Im a nh/ss before 631 you are the one who blinded by your ship, so you dont hear people opinion even change how to read the manga itself.
Im sorry to lecture you, even you were no naruto fan to begin with so this is useless.
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payung-merah In reply to Koshej [2014-02-12 13:04:28 +0000 UTC]
it doesnt make it different though
Fandom srcream awfuly if sakura has more scene
fandom scream awfuly if sakura doesnt have much scene
but it seems kishi doesnt support your hates, he promise to make sakura much more heroine-like in this point
he's sorry to dissapointed the fandom because he hasnt yet exposed her all out talents
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payung-merah In reply to PumiiH [2014-02-10 15:04:37 +0000 UTC]
thank you!! i really have the entire manga chapters in my laptop lol
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JILLNYN In reply to ??? [2014-02-09 07:19:46 +0000 UTC]
I love your collection of images with Kishimoto's words, as if you had summarized the history and evolution of the feelings of Sakura beautiful!
I love the complexity of Sakura's emotions is so real and human.
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payung-merah In reply to JILLNYN [2014-02-10 15:11:50 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!! yeah! many people say that sakura's such a childish girl, she just typical teenage girl who just about love, hair and apperance, and many among us who doent want to admit if we used to be like her in our teenage days. but... she's already change and grown up to a woman that care for her teammates. i like nice character but i rather love character development. her character developent are so real and human as you said! sakura's the only one who fit naruto's heroine role, kishimoto know what he's doing
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JILLNYN In reply to payung-merah [2014-02-11 05:44:47 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, Sakura is the most realistic and human heroine I've seen lately that has impressed me is far for child that only cared about Sasuke regardless of the village, but now she struggles to her village for her people and for Naruto, her emotional maturity is exemplary, I love seeing her healing all the villagers, I love seeing her fight to the front lines, I love struggles for save Naruto's life and sacrifice everything to protect Naruto's dreams, is a million light years from shallow girl it used to be, Sakura is amazing and it is a shame that the fans hate sakura so much she is 100000 times better than Hinata in my opinion
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qqwwqw In reply to ??? [2014-02-09 06:20:17 +0000 UTC]
It tell how Sakura change toward Naruto
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payung-merah In reply to qqwwqw [2014-02-10 15:13:22 +0000 UTC]
it already being said in DB 3, the entire manga, but many people tend to forget it. because of her "character". and another girl who they think deserve naruto better
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