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So I had someone say that while I talk about the Adventure games and archie comics, I ignore other Sonic games because they didn't "meet my standards". Stupid assumption to jump to. I actually liked most of Sonic's games till Colors came out, and almost all of them were pretty good for what they did. The reason why I talk about the Adventure era and comics all the time is because they are the best example of where Sonic needs to be, so why would you want to base Sonic success on lesser examples, even if they were good for what they were, and spin-offs at that. Plus, many of those other games aren't surrounded by as much hatred, misconception, and ignorance of fanboys as the main games, including the classics.But hey, if I need to talk about other games, let's bring up Riders, you know, that one game with the balanced story, that one game with some of the best artstyle in Sonic games, that one game that was pissed on for Sonic and co. riding hover boards.
Little more information on that down here:
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When SEGA released this promotional image for Shadow the Hedgehog(Shadow with a gun), the fanbase finally crumbled. Sonic had done something that would forever doom him in the eyes of the fandom: he jumped the shark.
Sonic was now “trying too hard to be cool”. From this point onward, the fandom seemed to apply a zero tolerance rule. Everything the Sonic series did would be put under a microscope and scrutinized to see if it’s “trying too hard to be cool”. However, we’re talking about Sonic here, the embodiment of “cool” and a “Poochie” from day one. Everything he has ever done could easily be labeled as “trying too hard to be cool”.
Suddenly, things we were fine with only a few years ago were “going too far”. The storyline which set Sonic Adventure apart from all other platformers and gave it a unique cinematic flair? Now it’s too much and is “getting in the way”. The side characters who helped provide a colorful and varied cast and fleshed out Sonic’s world? Now they’re stealing the spotlight and “ruining” the game. The unique real world-based setting? Now it’s terrible because it’s not what we grew up with. Even Sonic’s exceptional redesign was considered going “too far”.
It seemed to seep backwards as well. Things Sonic had been doing since the Genesis era were too “extreme” as well. When Sonic Riders was released, many reviewers spent an entire page complaining about Sonic being on a hoverboard when Sonic has been boarding since Sonic 3!
Source: gamebabble.wordpress.com/2010/…
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I think Sonic Rider's hover board concept is a really good one, since it's way to give Sonic a racing game while also setting it apart from Mario Kart (not to speak ill of Sega All Stars) and puts everyone on the same level (the only problem I might see with a Sonic foot race game), plus it still fits with the character since Sonic has always had some form of boarding since Sonic 3 and making them hover adds more variety and adds to the futuristic feel the technology in the games, honestly I usually like it when the games have cities in them they had a futuristic sci fi-ish flair to them. I also think it added a bit to the lore of the series and not I'm not just talking about the Babylonians I'm also talking about the introduction of Extreme Gears as it kind of gives the sonic universe it's own sort of "sport", I would actually like to see elements of the Riders series appear in the main games like I don't know you can see advertisements for Extreme Gears or have some Gear races in the game if you want to add some variety to levels or heck why not have the Babylon Rouges show up as bosses or something.
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I've seen Sonic board in SA2 by removing the plane wing and jumping out of the plane. Nobody complained about this.
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So what you saying is that this game is worth buying? I have been thinking about it for a while about getting it.
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Nothing here was about whether the game was worth buying or not, and I even said it was a fun game. On that subject though, the game is worth more then the money you'll most likely spend on buying it.
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I honestly enjoyed this game. I love racing games, (F-Zero especially). So this was a treat for me. And for realsies, since 1992 Sonic has always been trying too hard to be cool. His personality is that way for the comedic aspect. He's cocky and bullheaded. It's his trope.
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I came back to this because I just noticed something off here.
"Complaints about Sonic bieng on a hoverboard because it was trying to hard"
Thats not how I heard it, from the people I heard or "fanbrats" They hate the whole hoverboard idea because, he's Sonic the fastest thing alive, why would he need a hoverboard when he can just beat everyone on his feet. The same goes and STILL goes on with SEGA all stars racing, why is sonic in a car when he can just out race everyone on foot cause he is million times faster then a piss poor car.
This is complaint goes back to even the genesis days with a lesser known sonic game known as Sonic drift and Sonic drift 2.
This is complaint has been done to death and needs to die. Still I can't help but acknowledged the fact that it does make sense, if he IS fast why does need a car or hoverboard? Though I think it's also worth noting the one time they DIDNT complain about it was in Sonic 3, which I think says something there.
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"Thats not how I heard it, from the people I heard or "fanbrats" They hate the whole hoverboard idea because, he's Sonic the fastest thing alive"
Well did you here this around the time the game came out? This may be how you heard it but I try to get my info from people who were around and interacted at the time. If you're the around the same age as me, mid 20's, you had to have been looking up Sonic reviews and seeing the complaints about 14-12 years from this point in time, and most people don't, or did and never said anything(A lot of people don't now), or didn't stick around.
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I actually got the game when it first came out(which was in the late 2000s), at the time I didn't know how to fully use the Internet, I was only using it to play flash games and what not. It took tell the 2010s for me to discover things like YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter, to help keep me update on what's in right now and what rumors are bieng spread. Somewhere between 2013 and 2014 I begin looking up on how people thaught of the old Sonic games on YouTube. Sonic riders was one of them and all I heard was "WHY IS SONIC ON A HOVERBOARD HES SUPPOST TO BE FAST HE DOUSNT NEED IT!!!"
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Actually, I looked at something after I posted, and you made have read the meme wrong. The article brought up how people started saying Sonic was trying too hard to be cool, and the article said that even riders was being hated on when Sonic had been doing it since Sonic 3. There was anything being said about riders being hated because it was trying too hard to be cool, I only said "And that's trying too hard" because of the fact that it's something cool, not that alone.
On that note, I decided to see if there were any reviews on it and only there did I see IGN and another reviewer say Sonic should be on his feet, but that was the first time I heard that TBH.
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Sonic Riders was a damn good spin-off series unto Free Riders. I even added it to my version of the Sonic timeline taking place in the future. It had a balance story, likable characters, decent voice acting (yes I'm not though type of people who hate the 4kids actors because they work with 4kids or because they were in Sonic X.), and an awesome concept. It's like Sega look at Back to the future and went like "That is what we want in this game."
Fanboy/Nintendo fans: "There's sanic trying to hard again let's hate him."
Sega fans/ true sonic fans: "That's interesting never seen Sonic do that."
Fanboy/Nintendo fans: "You know who'll do better on a hoverboard? Mario. "
Sega fans/true Sonic fans: "There's the door now get out ."
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if you think about it, the sonic riders series is the best sonic racing game. (tis also one of my fav games besides the DS games where he actually went fast, and also sonic unleashed because i thought it was a cool story line and gameplay)
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Apperantly they also nitpicked the game for a "shitty voiced" Jet the Hawk. If they hate the voice so much why don't they just mute it? Honestly I applaud Jason Griffith for being able to voice three characters.
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I should also mention, even in the very first episode of Sonic Boom, they had a Hoverboard Race (and they did in other episodes too), and no one complained there either.
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Dat some bullshit right there.
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Hmm I actully had this game and the sequel but I just now realized something... Why didn't this game sell well like sonic unleashed did in terms of appealing to kids?
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I honestly don't know. Maybe because it was a spin-off, then don't tend to sell as much as the main titles, aside from the Olympics games, but that's because of Mario.
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By the way were exactly do you keep track of how good a game sells? I've been searching for reliable sources but no luck.
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Im pretty sure the idea of a racing game with hover boards was meant to be a spin off.
anyone with common sense could see that.
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Sonic Riders was okay, Sonic Riders Zero Gravity was excellent but Sonic Free Riders sucked.
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Those people are fucking retarded. I have and enjoy playing sonic riders for the ps2 and still love it to this day! Plus, HOVERBOARDS!! How do people hate hoverboards?! Marty Mcfly was on a hoverboard in back to the future and no one complained but for sonic,it's a whole new kettle of fish.I love their board designs in this game because they're way better than the ones in free riders...Then zero gravity happened and gave us a taste of future technology with the upgraded gear which i wish were real already!
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Remembering the old reviews the comments given were resembling of what given to Sonic Boom. Sonic not moving fast and Knuckles losing his touch, but the new outfits look neat.
Rider series were starting to go bad but that can be said for bad experimenting of forcing to use tools which Sonic Boom has in volumes.
If Eggman were to make people compete in his sport games it shows that he is in control. It is also better for getting Chaos Emeralds and whatever mcgfuffins use in the story.
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Because Nintendo drones and biased reviewers invaded us after Sonic Adventure 2 came to the gamecube. The game was considered perfect unntil that happened.
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It's not just that. Most of the characterization and plot for sonic has come from other sources (shows, comics, etc). The problem is SINCE THE START there have been multiple different continuities across different cultures. There's been anime/manga, AOSTH SATam and underground (each with a wildly different approach), the archie series, the fleetway series, all of this stuff was bound to fracture the community! I don't think I've seen any other fanbase which has so many conflicting opinions as to what the franchise should be. THAT'S the problem, that anything sega or whoever does is doomed to suffer backlash, as the community is so divided that any one thing will only appeal to a fraction of it!.
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Yet, it's the fanboys themselves who choose to fight each other over one thing and another whether then to just to accept each canon for what it is. Sonic wasn't even getting all this hate until Sonic Adventure 2 hit the Gamecube, that's when that started getting hate, then when Shadow came out, the same people backtracked and saying anything Sonic was doing was trying to hard to be cool. Then you get the other who put a no tolerance rule on Sonic being serious or dark, which the starts the problem with Satam and the comics, then you have shippers and since the comics don't have the couples some people want, they bash those and the people who do like them.
Case in point, Sonic's troubles go beyond just having many canons, but each canon having something one doesn't want in Sonic mediums in general, and Sonic X also had a hand in it with making people think that's how Sonic is suppose to be, and being the opposite spectrum of Shadow. Look at how Batman came up, he was light hearted at first, and became more popular when he got darker, and nobody as asking for him to be lighter. Ninja Turtles also went through a few changes, yet keeps a solid fanbase. Transformers fans only seem to hate the movie, and I doubt tone has anything to do with it because the games would catch the same hate as well. In the end, it doesn't matter how many canons Sonic has, it's the fact that people came in with a totally different ideology for a series they either didn't like what made it popular or hardly knew in the first place.
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It's funny cause SEGA had no choice but to release it on GameCube sense the dream cast was dying. so what's your opinion could it have been better if they didn't do that and let sonic go along with the console? Or could there perhaps be another solution.
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"It's funny cause SEGA had no choice but to release it on GameCube sense the dream cast was dying"
You do realize that Sega released many other games on the Xbox, right, as well almost every console game that generation outside of Adventure DX? A lot of people don't know this either, but the Xbox was made by Sega employees who worked on the DC, essentially making the Xbox, Dreamcast 2.
"so what's your opinion could it have been better if they didn't do that and let sonic go along with the console? Or could there perhaps be another solution."
Not make it exclusive to the gamecube.
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It is funny I did know that SEGA was forced to port the sonic games to other consoles do to the DC dying but ONLY on the GameCube? They defenetly could have done more then that.
BTW I never even knew the flame war of Nintendo fans saying sonic try's to hard to be cool that is intell I found you. I would say I'm happy the flame stopped after colors but in reality that doesn't mean anything as the fanbase is still pretty much a war zone.
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The flames never stopped, as those people still take jabs at older games, constantly damage control when someone tells them why they're wrong, and many of them still kept taking jabs at the archie comics to. The only thing that's different was when Colors came out, the loud mouths started acting all brand new and turned from loud mouth fanbrats to opinionated douche bags, that are still fanbrats.
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I think the solution to this is a complete reboot that not only wipes the slate clean, but also is based off of SatAM Sonic. Those drones I don't care about, if they think Sonic needs to be childish then they need to go back to clown collage and leave us alone.
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Didn't Sonic had a hover board in a game gear game?
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Like it said in the article, things that were fine before were suddenly "going too far".
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I bet if Mario were to ride a Hoverboard, no one would even care.
That's my problem with them.
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I'm glad you mentioned that. A number of people said this over the years, but from what I've gathered from different sources and on Blackb0nd videos on youtube,it's not just Mario, ANYTHING Nintendo does will be defended, even shit the same fanboys dismissed on other consoles. One example, using your console for watching videos, online multiplayer, and HD display. Fanboys flamed over consoles for doing these things, and when Nintendo picked up on it later, now all of a sudden it was ok. Not just the fanboys either, but a lot of people commented that anything is ok to these fanboys as long as Nintendo does it.
This has been one of Sonic's problems as a whole, immediate dismissal of anything he does, not because it was wrong, but because it wasn't Nintendo.
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I don't mind about it, the game was kinda fun.
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Got This along with GTA 3 when I Got a New PS2, Great Game I Will Say. Only thing I don't Like was How The Ring System Works, and That's When I Did The Heroes/Babylons Cup Alot (Mostly Heroes).
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Meh, Riders sucked, and this is because of several reasons:
1: The controls sucked donkey anus.
2: The 4Kids voices.
3: I suck at the game, and am not afraid to admit it, unlike the Fan Dumb.
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1: Which version you played? (even through i've played GC and PC version and they were just fine).
2: Japanese voice option.
3: Is this a reason for say a game suck?
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The 3rd is not exactly a reason. I'd rather call it "personal issue". I once had that problem with the Classics.
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1: The controls were fine.
2: That doesn't have any effect on the game itself.
3: meh
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Okay, in my defense, I thought Riders was good. It had a great concept, great music, and while the gameplay wasn't the best thing ever, I still found it fun (rubber band AI notwithstanding). My only complaint was that the writing had a few too many instances of stating the obvious, which makes it seem like too direct a translation of the original Japanese dialogue. But I can get past that. Anyone who hates on this game as a whole is, frankly, just being a nitpicker.
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Well, given that it was hated due to Sonic riding on hoverboards, it was very nitpicky. Aside from that, the game was pretty much, as one guy described to me, Tony Hawk's Undergroung(Thug)2 meets F-Zero X. It was a damn good game.
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Damn straight. Another good thing Sonic has been missing: Great music. I think the theme for Free Riders was the best we had in recent years. It's no Un-Gratify, All of Me, or Unknown from M.E., but it was decent.
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I didn't mind some of the rock from Colours and Generations had a fantastic soundtrack but apart from that Sonic has had lame stuff like Lost World's Soundtrack. Lost World only had 2 tracks I liked!
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