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Published: 2010-04-25 21:50:11 +0000 UTC; Views: 20377; Favourites: 104; Downloads: 1281
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Continuing the series in a local LGBT news and events publication. Still stuck in the stone age, the Time Travelling Twinks explore the theme of homosexuality in religion.It should be noted that despite the 2nd punchline, the current scandal embroiling the Catholic Church has nothing to do with homosexuality. Men who abuse youth (whether boys or girls) do so because of various reasons including power trips and attempting to recreate the sexual experiences they've lost thanks to their incredibly oppressive dogma. Study after study shows that Homo does NOT equal peadophile. So despite the Vatican trying to blame their current situation on the gays, it's their own dogma-laden view of human sexuality in general that is causing the problem.
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This is a great series, both the ideation and the execution.
As a gay Catholic (I know, I know--but then I was in Naval Intelligence, so what does an oxymoron mean to me?), I want to say your note is pretty much spot on. The only quibble I might have is that I haven't had a sense that the Church as an official teaching is putting the blame on homosexuals. You're right in that many, many people in the Catholic hierarchy do so; but my feeling is that that's also the way large numbers of non-Catholics are seeing the problem. Which in part I blame on the media for not reminding people in every priest-choirboy/priest-altarboy story of the distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia. And certainly Church teaching (especially when I was young--which is about the time of this illustration) didn't help: there were essentially two vocations for men--marriage or priesthood. So any boy who had not got past a lack of attraction to women in his understanding of his sexuality was sort of left with a thought that God wanted him to be a priest. So all the Church needs to do now is allow women and gay men to become priests, allow the clergy to marry (no matter whether same- or opposite-sex marriages), and lock up all the bishops who kept sending abusive priests out to new parishes as a solution. That's not too much to ask, surely.
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Twin spirits weren't "homosexuals" except in the European imaginary, they were differently gendered people. That is not the same thing at all.
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The term "Differently Gendered" is a bit misleading there. Many Native American tribes recognized a child's choice to live either a male or female lifestyle with all the tribal duties and honors accorded to that role, regardless of their true gender, normal or hermaphroditic. Two-Spirit (not twin spirit - a term normally used to describe soul mates) is a way of identifying gender IDENTITY. And for much of 3rd world, shamanistic cultures, it was and still is considered an actual 3rd gender. But it's based on identity, not actual genitalia.
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Yes, I agree. But I was taking issue with referring to two-spirits as "homosexuals", which, seeing as they didn't share a gender with their partners, they were not.
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but they DID share "gender" with their partners. If an effeminate boy chose to live his life as a female, he kept his genitals but was treated as a woman by the tribe, including being given to a man as a wife. Gender to them was not solely defined by genitalia, but by expression and role within the tribe. To them it might not have been viewed as a same-sex coupling, but by modern standards, this would be a gay couple. Two-Spirit is a blanket term that identified all of what we would refer to as LGBT today.
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But by labeling these people with labels they didn't identify with or label themselves with, you are colonizing their gender expressions and forcing them to fit in boxes you created. That is not okay.
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"these people"? Which people? The cartoon applies to ancient societies we haven't even actually labeled yet but is trying to relate to what we know of in the existing world today. So which people are you talking about? The dozens of native north american tribes, the south american tribes, the african tribes, the australian aboriginal tribes? Even to call them "native american" is a "label" i'm sure many of them would probably take issue with. But without applying modern labels to our history, we can't understand it in context or identify with it in regards to our own culture. Hell, the label "homosexual" didn't exist until 1893 and wasn't widely used until the early 1900s. Should we stop using that word and applying it to anyone too? And you're the one that used the label in the first place. Neither the cartoon nor the description says anything about two-spirit, or as you so incorrectly wrote "twin spirit." Maybe, if you want to gripe about labels that aren't even used you should GET THE FUCKING LABEL RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Here's a label for you: Incessant Dumbass.
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huh. never thoguht about that. Time treveling twinks. HAHA
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