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I wish George Hughes kept their Class 28s as 2-6-0 moguls. They seem to have a lot of potential in pulling heavier passenger and goods trains than they were 0-6-0s.
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Having the same boiler and cylinders etc James's design wouldn't actually be any more powerful, in fact with less weight on the leading drivers and bigger diameter ones to boot they'd be worse on most goods trains, passenger service wise could be a different story though.
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I’m not saying that Class 28s should be bigger. What I was saying is that Class 28 should’ve been a 2-6-0. Another type of mogul since the Austrian Goods locomotive from the G&SWR, and made before the LMS Crab.
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Ah I see. The Caledonian's 34 class is most comparable with James as their 30 class predecessors were nose heavy thanks to their superheaters to the point it caused frame cracking but i've never actually found a reference for the 28s nosing at speed outside of Awdry's bio for James. It certainly wouldn't hurt the design but with no evidence in the 'Earth Prime verse' it represents an example of adding unnecessary expense. Best way to explain it would be the design was indeed supposed to be more MT than the other 0-6-0s in that it was expected to pull passenger trains at a faster clip when filling in and be expected to take fitted/semi-fitted goods, sort of like with the Green Arrow class.
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my theory on james was a failure becuase of his ponk truck being too light
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you know I wondor if james has lbscr k class inspiration taken from it
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More likely the Crab and its early conceptions.
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but james and the crabs share very little in commen, only that they're hughs moguls
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The wheel dia for the two MTs are an exact match, something I doubt is a coincidence considering Awdry specifically gave James them over his 5' 1" brothers, when looks wise it made very little difference. Of the early LMS plans all are outside cylindered moguls but apparently one more like James exists in the NRM archive. I'm going off another here so can't really say more unless I see it myself, though if it does it would of been an earlier design and odds are it would share a greater likeness to the 28 Class.
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James is basically a mixed traffic version of the 28 class.
locomotive.wikia.com/wiki/LYR_…
In many ways similar to the two superheated Caledonian and G&SWR designs that had pony trucks added on with the later batches in order to compensate for being nose heavy but with his slightly larger driving wheels he's sort of a fictional forerunner to Hughes's later design that got turned into the LMS Crab.
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i do not get it but how is he a 260 when i saw the link page it's still a 0-6-0
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James is a fictional design so I can't provide a link for one of his brothers 
(McIntosh 30 Class)
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25250338240…
(Drummond 279 Class)
i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/76/5…
that on the later batches had a pony truck slapped on the front end in order to counter the excessive overhang from the superheaters,
(McIntosh 34 Class)
thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/ima…
Drummond 16 Class)
i.pinimg.com/originals/00/82/c…
and the full blown Hughes Mogul, as he shares the same size driving wheels but unlike it he's not a fresh design as such, just a mixed traffic variant of the 28 class.
Oh if you haven't seen the site yet this place has nice summaries of the various Railway Series engines along with some of the tv ones.
www.pegnsean.net/~railwayserie…
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I would imagine if Hughes did make the class 28 2-6-0 mogul rather than his old 0-6-0's it wouldve been very successful
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I'm quite inclined to agree with that. Despite his larger wheels I'm sure James couldn't go toe toe with a Crab due to him sharing the same boiler as the 28s but that feature does define him from the Caledonian's 2-6-0 afterthought of their nose heavy Class 30 and also the Glasgow & South Western Railway's inside cylinder mogul. Basically he would hardly be anything revolutionary in terms of innovations but as the long lived superheated 28s were fine improvements over their saturated boiler brothers so he would certainly come from good stock as it were.
It's difficult to classify him as the L&YR's 1920 onwards system had only passenger and freight (1-8 & 21-32) devisions. If he were passenger listed he'd be a 9 but if lumped along side his 0-6-0 brothers he's be a 29 class, which oddly was never used but then you had the 30 & 31 0-8-0s and finally the 32 0-8-2T. Given that the 27s & 28s both pulled passenger trains and qualified for passenger livery yet still fell under the goods engines umbrella I'de say he should be a 29er. His pre-1920 classification is more tricky to work out which is why I left it blank but it would of been whatever number he carried when being built.
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He may look splendid, but I still want to punch him in the face.
Nice work again, you do wonders with these old images.
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Careful if you do, he may bite if you get too close! My advice would be to use a jabbing stick
Even with altering his upturned cheeks this face is still overly sweet but nothing else I liked quite lined up....well there was one angry one that could of probably worked with some adapting but as this is a Year Zero sort of portrait I wanted him 'unbothered' shall we say
Anyway thanks, really busy with lambing on the farm currently but plenty more RWS adaptions planed for the year, will be interested to see what other gems you come up with too
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OMG MY GOD!!!!!
man i love you!!!XD i turned the pc and i saw this i scremed soo much i love!I LOVE IT!!!
you are awsome, this is really cool, i see you took the face from a annual, good choise
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Lol thanks, glad you like it
Yep, with really high quality paintings I like to use the Owen Bell annual faces as they usually mix really well though I did down tone down his scrunched up checks a wee bit. Also yes, according to my research James's chimney technically makes him the tallest engine on Sodor and his dome isn't much lower down from it, in your face Gordon
Regarding the smokebox, the thing about the L&Y was that their superheated engines tended to have separate saddles that were recessed,
ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_and_…
while the earlier deigns had a flush smokebox, which was then fixed to the chassis. In the fullness of time though it's quite possible Croven's Gate gave him a new flush style replacement-One that entirely envelops his inside cylinders, though possibly with a hatch cover to allow for convenient access, like with 812/652s and the E2s etc.
i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o…
i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o…
It might also be possible he has a gained a slightly longer smokebox, like when two of Edward's class were given Phoenix superheaters but in James's case the base was also brought forward.
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wow...you really are a railway expert XD
i'm going to do some sprites of the engines as they looked like in Awdry's layouts, i migth need your help morgan
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Just like exploring RWS lore and Sodor's engine related research
I can't recall if you are on SiF or not but it's easier enough to register and if you do you can see pictures of most of Awdry's models in this thread.
sodorislandforums.com/thread/6…
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oh i am register on SiF and i once put some drawings on the artwork thread
i was blown away when i say those pics thanks
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You have created a masterpiece. Your photoshopping skills are marvelous and your effort is really commendable. I really like this, love how you used a Class 27 as the base
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Ta very much 
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Thanks, good ol' Jonathan Clay, can't go too far wrong when Awdryfying his beautiful work.
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Simply spectacular! You should be an engine designer.
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Rolf thanks but I haven't really made anything as such, just infuse whatever with cropped screenshots and then manipulate with photoshopping until I've got what I'm after. Basically editing is something of a cheat as you're essentially piggybacking off other peoples work but still as I also enjoy research it's just something I like to do for fun and I'll take anything that I think will be apt to add to my Sodor themed gallery
Anyway cheers for the kind words as always, plenty more to come
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Cheers my dear, always nice to hear
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Yes. I'm looking forward the next deviation.
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You've done absolutely amazingly as ever here ol' boy; it genuinely looks so convincing that I was fooled to thinking that there really had been a modified L&YR Class 28 made at some point and that somebody had decided to come along and paint it. But I had a read of your reply to Nick's comment and then had a look at the pic again and saw that the front was, indeed, Photoshopped.
So anyway, going back to my original statement, you've done absolutely amazingly on this edit.
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Cheers lad, just the kind of result I was trying to aim for
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OMG, this portrait...
Tell me you photoshopped in the front end of the engine...
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Thanks, now pending any dramatic research revelations this should remain my ultimate ex-works James
Yep the front end was photoshopped, lots and lots and lots of editing on this one in general through the power of multiple cropped screenshots and with all the layering it took forever but a fair bit is probably too subtle to pick out unless you view the original and wish to play 'spot the difference' I can show the original in a PM if you really like but to summarise I've added double springs on the tender to match the Hoy-Hughes type built for the 657 Class and likewise I borrowed their superheater damper feature (removed a few years later on). The boiler and wheelbase are still identical to the original prototype but I actually have increased the driving wheel dia a bit and same with the splashers. The pony wheels I recycled from the first driving wheel (had to build it up separately in another Word Document save).
No one has brought it up just yet but the reason why he has double emblems is because when studying the various L&YR classes recently I noticed that the Highflyer 'Atlantics' had such an arrangement. Without the flush sandboxes I was also tempted to move the leading steps in front of the first driving axel, as the lads at Horwich seemed almost obsessive with hiding any below running plate level sandboxes behind a set of steps (and even sometimes as second, see the 2-4-2Ts) but a few heavy freight designs are the exceptions that allowed me to justify keeping the common 0-6-0 layout.
The larger 'L' spectacles and the deeper roof+cab cutting are semi-personal touches but the inside cylinders are the unsolvable issue. As James is still essentially a 28 class, but with slightly bigger wheels I couldn't really extend his face further forward in order to cover them as per his RWS look,
ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_and_…
but perhaps during his later Sodor days he can acquire a slightly more flush saddle arrangement to improve his all important looks via a Croven's Gate makeover
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Wow, sounds like a lot of work... but sure, I'd love to see the original!
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Thanks. It's taken me smegging ages but I wanted to go all out on this pre-NWR portrait
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Cheers, really happy with the final result myself
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I prefer this other than saying James is a 28 with two bogie wheels at the fronts.
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Yarp, the research side of RWS lore rather holds my interest as there is so much to it once you scratch the surface and it's great when it can be practically applied to artwork (modelling, spriting, sim making and proxy stories as well of course
*This bit of the reply is out of order due to how DA's messaging system works but is aimed for RiverStation.
Sorry you've lost me a bit. Is the above just a typo and you meant pony wheels? Assuming it is then yes I'm inclined to agree. The main trouble with '28 class' is that the 1920 reclassification system it is a bit clumsy. We do know from IoS though that Awdry is describing the twenty strong 657 Class built in 1912 though, so that helps as they were built with Belpaire fireboxes and superheaters and unlike some of the other batches thankfully remained much the same throughout their working lives
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No worries. It's not very obvious but I did actually put him down as being a 29 Class in the hashtags. There never was a 29 class in the 1920 onwards system introduced by Hughes but 30-32 were used for the 8 coupled heavy goods engines. It's believed that 29 should of been used for the 4-cylinder 0-8-0 compounds but as it wasn't it's perfect for James
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