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Not all fur comes from fur farms. I get my fur from people who make a living off of hunting and getting their fur. Not all fur farms are cruel, either. You obviously haven't done any of your research.
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I have been researching this for 7 years. By saying that not all fur farms (who KILL in the name of fashion) aren't cruel, you proof that you or don't know anything about fur farms or that you are just so cruel that pain and suffering leaves you cold.
But if you want to be blind to it, that is your choice. Have fun wearing corpses of the innocent.
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Yeah 7 years. Bullshit. Have any pets? You feed them with excess from fur farms. [link] I know you won't bother watching all 9 minutes. People who have closed minds don't want to be taught.
Did I ever say I wore fur? Guess you automatically make assumptions. Typical.
And I'm sure you're not against Body Worlds. It's okay if it's killing in the name of science - oh wait, you can only do that if they're human.
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I watched and I learned a lot from the video. Even though she didn't wanna learn I did and I have.
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By saying that about pet food, you proved again that you don't know anything about the subject. Pet food that has the remains of fur famred animals is not healthy for pets. That's why no store sells it, except some cheapass chinese ones.
Did I ever say I wore fur?
And yes, you said you "got your fur from hunters"
And I'm sure you're not against Body Worlds. It's okay if it's killing in the name of science
Body worlds? Isn't that the museum in Holland? Hello? The corpses there are DONATED. They were already dead because of age/car accident etc. They are not ecspecially killed for that.
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When the animal dies, it still has meat left. They take that meat and put it in dog foods and other products like that. Where the hell have you been in the past 20 years?
I collect furs, I don't wear them. Learn to pay attention, dear.
A museum in Holland? 
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When the animal dies, it still has meat left. They take that meat and put it in dog foods and other products like that. Where the hell have you been in the past 20 years?
I collect furs, I don't wear them. Learn to pay attention, dear.
That's the same -_-
Animals that aren't killed for fur but someone makes a taxidermy mount are in the same position. People take roadkill and get it mounted.
And there is 0.000000000000001% that someone's fur is from a roadkill animal. Why do you think people are against fur anyway? Because almost NO ONE has roadkill or fur from animals who "happen to be dead already". Fur in general is what people are against; the ones from animals killed for it.
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Oh, wow. You're the stupid one. They don't waste things like you think they do. They can make more profit if they sell what's left of the animal! Obviously you know nothing about making money either.
You are so stupid. I am literally laughing right now. I collect furs - I keep them in my room. I take care of them. I don't wear them around. It's not the same. I'm collecting them, not wearing them. People collect shot glasses. Does that mean they wear shot glasses around? No my dear.
That proves to me that you still know nothing about taxidermy. Many people take roadkill animals that are still in a workable condition and make them into taxidermy mounts. I know it's a very hard concept for you to grasp, but not all animals are killed for fur. In hunting, only in extremely rare situations do you have someone hunting for just fur and not the meat. This also proves how little you know about hunting.
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Did she really just say collecting fur is the same as wearing it? Good lord, I guess I need to start wearing my pokemon cards.
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Yep, she did. She told me I was worse for collecting it and not wearing it.
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I hope she takes an English class, then comes back and reads all the things she's posted. Maybe then she'll understand how idiotic she sounds...
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I doubt she will. People with that thick of a skull aren't born with the natural ability to learn new things.
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People like her should be tested for cognitive mental problems.
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Definitely. They would find a rare abnormality.
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They don't waste things like you think they do. They can make more profit if they sell what's left of the animal! Obviously you know nothing about making money either.
EEP! Wrong!
The reason why most fur farms don't sell the body is...
1. The animals are treated so horribly their entire life, so their body isn't healthy for humans to eat.
2. They are called FUR farms. Not meat factory. What you describe is meat factory.
3. The bodies of fur farmed animals damage the health so badly, that it's even bad for pets. No one wants to buy that. NO ONE. That's why they throw them on a pile to rot [link] or dump them somewhere for a miserable prize.
I'd like you to visit a fur farm and see what I mean.
I'm collecting them, not wearing them.
Like that makes a difference for the animals, I mean, smarasss.
In hunting, only in extremely rare situations do you have someone hunting for just fur and not the meat.
Fox hunting, wolf hunting and many more hunting is done for the FUR. People only eat the meat because they have to do something with it right? But if it is about meat, they would hunt a animal that fits that purpose better. Not to mention that hunted fur is extremely rare in fur-wearing land. Not even 1% comes from hunted animals.
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That means you don't know anything about fur farms even further. If the animal is treated that badly, then the fur will end up being bad. I love how you take one picture and automatically apply it to all fur farms. Oi veigh.
The animals don't give a damn. They're dead, herp derp.
Oh my. I have seen people go fox hunting and wolf hunting. They still use the meat! It tastes quite good from what I've heard. Lots of people on dA have eaten their meat. Not even 1%? Oh dear. You need to do a lot of research, not that it would permeate that skull. I've met hundreds of men where I live that hunt animals, eat the meat, and sell the furs at the Mountain Man Rendezvous. People get pelts from hunting all the time.
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That means you don't know anything about fur farms even further. If the animal is treated that badly, then the fur will end up being bad.
BEEP! Wrong again! No matter how bad the body is treated, the fur remains beautiful, no matter what. It's funny that you, someone who doesn't know anything about fur farms, are trying to debate about this subject with someone who has been researching this for 7 years. I mean, seriously? You've never seen how fur farms work but just try to justify them because you are looking for every single excuse to kill animals? That's just pathetic. Even the "modern fur farms" keep animals like minks (which still have 100% instinct in them!) in tiny little cages for their WHOLE life. The bottom of the cage is made of bars, which is bad for their feet, they don't get the food they need in nature and their body gets all kind of handicaps and diseases because of the lack of space and health. They are locked up and live a life even more miserable than any criminal in jail. And that while they aren't even criminals. After years of suffering they are finished off in the name of fasion. Those are the "modern" fur farms. Don't even get me started on the other fur farms, where they torture them to death.
No matter how much you love to see animals suffer, fur-farms CAN'T be justified. They just can't.
Not even 1%? Oh dear. You need to do a lot of research, not that it would permeate that skull.
Helloooo? Most fur comes from FUR FARMS. Most people buy it in the STORE. Hunted fur is rare. Look who's telling who to do research. You're the one discussing a subject you don't know anything about.
Oh my. I have seen people go fox hunting and wolf hunting. They still use the meat!
Yeah, for the same reason I mentioned; they want the fur and they have to "get rid" of the meat. That's why. Otherwise they would have chased a deer or something instead.
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Wow. You really believe that no matter what happens to the body, the fur is alright? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard!
Of course most of it does, but a lot more than just 1% is hunted. Discussing a subject I don't know anything about? Oh, the hypocrisy...
Not at all. In countries like India, canines are considered a delicacy. They don't just hunt wolves and foxes, take the fur and leave. They don't just "get rid" of the meat. They eat it like humans are supposed to do.
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No matter how bad the body is treated, the fur remains beautiful, no matter what.
Isn't this the same person who said that blind people can't have guide dogs because they won't be able to tell if the dog is suffering from a skin problem? Cause skin conditions tend to cause a problem with the fur.
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Ringworm. The blind people can get the ringworm from their pets.
I wonder if she's ever heard of regular check ups at a veterinary clinic? Oh wait, that would be cruel because they sometimes have to prod animals with needles.
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Or stick things up their butts, might as well consider that rape.
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So obviously it's horrible for these people to take their pets to the vet even though it's beneficial!
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Wow. You really believe that no matter what happens to the body, the fur is alright? That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard!
But it is the truth. By denying it, you are only fooling yourself.
Very well. Since you are so interested to learn about fur-farms, start here. Animals treated like crap but their fur remains beautiful [link]
Oh yeah, and here is how your precious hunters make fur: [link] Not very different from nazi, don't you think?
I very highly doubt you've ever seen a fur farm working either, but instead just looked up pictures on the internet and decided to baww about it. They keep the bars like that so that the animals don't get diseases. 
Of course most of it does, but a lot more than just 1% is hunted. Discussing a subject I don't know anything about? Oh, the hypocrisy...
This leaves me cold because you've already proven that you don't know anything about the subject at all. You constantly fantasize about things that don't happen in reality and deny the truth over and over again.
They don't just "get rid" of the meat. They eat it like humans are supposed to do.
See my previous message to see why.
What you do is trying to deny the truth because you are constantly looking for an excuse to justify the cruelty you support. But you know... denying the truth won't change the truth. Why you, someone who doesn't even know 1% about fur farms their ways, started a discussion with someone who has been investigating the whole thing (in real life!!!) for seven years remains the question. Your fantasies are not reality.
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By now since you've done "oh-so-much research" you should know that the Chinese aren't exactly pleasant towards animals. Yet you still think that all fur farms are like that. How many times have I had to say this? 4? Not all fur farms are like that. If you think that diseases, whipping, and other horrible treatments don't effect pelts, you're ridiculous as if that wasn't blatantly obvious. How hunters make fur? For one thing, darling, hunters don't make fur. If you think that hunters skin animals alive, you're an idiot. I've skinned an animal before. You don't skin them alive. Obviously if they're alive they'll be moving around, struggling, and the whole nine yards. Besides, you can tell that that movie is obviously directed and everything. Definitely not a plausible reference. You also don't realize that skinning an animal isn't easy. It takes time, effort, and skill. You know nothing about hunting. You want to know the best way to learn about hunting? Experiencing it yourself. I doubt you would even make it to the tree line before you bailed out. Ever been outside of your house? Ever been in a forest? By what you say, I doubt it. Ethical hunters don't use traps to hunt because it's illegal. Poachers use traps. Real hunters actually go out hiking in the forest, try to conceal themselves, and have to shoot the animal with a gun, which kills it quickly and painlessly. Without hunting, overpopulation occurs and the animals starve themselves out. It takes weeks for them to starve to death - what's more humane - taking a few animals out of the equation and letting the rest of them prosper or letting them all kill each other out and die slow, painful deaths? I love how you preach how inhumane hunting is, but you still don't know anything about it.
I love how you just criticize me and don't give me any real information, but just stick your nose in the air and sit on your high horse. Oh wait, you're an animal rights supporter. Owning pets like horses is cruel and unnecessary *cough. Yeah, you've been studying for 7 years. That's why you automatically generalize all fur farms. Mhm. You're a real professional. Your fantasies are obviously plagued by illogical analogies and nonsensical theories. I pity you.
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LMAO did you even watch those videos she posted? Nothing in the first video constitutes as "abuse", and the second video was a friggin music video for "Anti-Fur". WHAT A DUMBASS.
Her side of the argument is "small wiry cages" is abuse, when it's not. Anyone who understands English (which she doesn't) would know that abuse actually means "to use wrongly" or "misuse" -- this isn't abuse. They're using them what they were bred for. Of course small cages is pathetic, that's where animal welfare comes in, but that isn't abuse in the technical term. When you hear "abuse" you think of beating the animal and shit.
I would point this out to her as well when/if you get the chance. I would, but I blocked her after she tried saying she's for animal rights but didn't give a shit about Jellyfish simply because they don't have a brain.
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LOL I know right! She thinks she's posting these credible resources... They're fucking peta shit.
Jellyfish don't have a brain so that makes them not as important as her precious wolves? Also, technically a brain is a mass of nerves that helps us to do things... Jellyfish have complex nervous systems so if you want to get down to the basics, they technically have a brain.
I'm quoting you now.
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Well actually, Jellyfish lack a digestive, central nervous, respiratory, or circulatory systems (plus the brain like we've said). Only way they can die is by being out of the water, because they lack oxygen. While they don't have a circulatory system, they can still get oxygen through osmosis which is easier/quicker through the water. She tried saying "cut a branch off a tree and it still lives, but cut a jellyfish in half and it dies." That's like the same thing as saying, "cut a tentacle off a jellyfish and it lives, but rip a tree out of the ground and it dies."
So yeah, in her mind, Jellyfish don't quite rank up there as the other charismatic megafauna. Another hilarious comment she made was "only animals which have feelings and emotions," and "those that don't act on instinct." Which is outrageously funny because lack I checked, a majority of animals react on instinct, only a small handful were noted to have self-awareness and not do so.
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They found a certain species of jellyfish that can live forever. I saw that on Yahoo and flipped. It was awesome! So then she supports cutting Jellyfish up? And don't Jellyfish act on instinct? Oh jeez, this chick... Maybe she is a jellyfish. She makes it blatantly obvious that she lacks brainpower.
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Yeah, that cheezy show on Animal Planet called "The Future is Wild" shows how Jellyfish will be one of the only species left, and it doesn't surprise me. Only way the things die is by coming out of the water, lol.
And yeah, that's pretty much what she was saying. There was a syntax error in there but she was saying she only supports those animals that have feelings and those who don't react on instinct.
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I've never seen it... Haha, yeah, they're pretty badasscular. I think that Jellyfish are some of the most interesting creatures you can think of. A lot of animals on earth look slightly similar, but the Jellyfish is just an absolute wild card. They turn Australian lifeguards into cross dressers.
Wow. I think that's stupid. I bet if you look through her faves, she's faved a stamp that says she loves all animals.
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By now since you've done "oh-so-much research" you should know that the Chinese aren't exactly pleasant towards animals. Yet you still think that all fur farms are like that.
Read my part about the "modern" fur farms. They are no different.
You also don't realize that skinning an animal isn't easy. It takes time, effort, and skill.
Tell that to your precious fur-farmers. They do it within a few secs.
For one thing, darling, hunters don't make fur. If you think that hunters skin animals alive, you're an idiot. I've skinned an animal before. You don't skin them alive. Obviously if they're alive they'll be moving around, struggling, and the whole nine yards. Besides, you can tell that that movie is obviously directed and everything.
You seriously believe that? I can show you 1000000 more, they will tell you the same. Stop denying the truth already! Not all hunters skin them alive. But putting them in painful traps for days until the hunter finds them isn't any better you know.
Ethical hunters don't use traps to hunt because it's illegal. Poachers use traps. Real hunters actually go out hiking in the forest, try to conceal themselves, and have to shoot the animal with a gun, which kills it quickly and painlessly.
For an unnceccecary goal, that is.
Without hunting, overpopulation occurs and the animals starve themselves out.
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I love how you just criticize me and don't give me any real information
If you don't even look at it, then how can I give you info? You just deny everything. Even if you'd go to a fur farm yourself and see it with your own eyes, you will still fool yourself by saying it isn't true. Sorry, but if you wear fur then just accept what kind of cruelty you support and what kind of person you are. Sheesh.
Owning pets like horses is cruel and unnecessary *cough.
I am NOT your original character, so I can decide what I support myself. Thank you.
Yeah, you've been studying for 7 years. That's why you automatically generalize all fur farms. Mhm. You're a real professional.
There IS no fur farm that kills for other reason. There IS no fur farm that lets all animals walk into a happy field instead of tiny cages. (because in the wild they can't stay together). There IS no fur farm that doesn't kill for fur.
LEATHER is the remains of food. Fur is not. Just accept that fact.
Omg, even my little brothers' little friends are smarter. At least they don't deny the truth.
What you say are just fantasies that you WANT to happen.
But what I show you is what IS actually happening. If that weren't true, your arguments wouldn't fail so badly. You also seem to miss my info about modern fur farms (so not chinese ones) on PURPOSE.
I know some fur fans. But at least the accepted the truth instead of denying it. They still wear fur, but they are ok with being cruel, they say. They enjoy unneccecary pain and suffering. Unlike you, they admit what they are.
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Fur farmers don't usually remove the fur. Machines.
Yeah, but you hate all hunting, yet you don't realize that barely any poachers skin them alive and/or trap them. There's a difference between Ethical hunting and poaching. You obviously don't see it.
You have no right to call it an unnecessary goal. It's a hard thing to do, but not having to pay for shitty processed meat and getting better meat is definitely worth it.
Okay, so you would rather have animals suffer. Good for you. Makes you seem a lot more sadistic than me, hun.
I have been opening the links. They don't prove anything and they're just ridiculous and biased.
LOL. You're saying I wear fur again? Oh god. You are so thick. I get my fur from people who humanely hunt it and make their living off of what they hunt. Support my local economy.
You're a character, that's for sure. A hypocritical one at that.
You do realize that with equal rights comes equal responsibility? When you support animal rights, you're expecting animals to keep a full time job, pay their taxes, and follow all of the laws. That isn't easy without thumbs.
Oh, and in the words of ~sulfide , "Anyone who understands English (which she doesn't) would know that abuse actually means "to use wrongly" or "misuse" -- this isn't abuse. They're using them what they were bred for. Of course small cages is pathetic, that's where animal welfare comes in, but that isn't abuse in the technical term. When you hear "abuse" you think of beating the animal and shit."
Leather is the remains of food? Wrong. Leather is the skin of an animal.
You're the one obviously denying the truth, hun. It's easier to teach a penguin to fly than it is to get through your thick skull.
Fur is cruel now? God, you still don't realize that not even close to all fur is farmed. When not farmed, fur is not unnecessary and painful. Obviously you've brainwashed them. Fur isn't cruel.
βadjective, -er, -est.
1.
willfully or knowingly causing pain or distress to others.
2.
enjoying the pain or distress of others: the cruel spectators of the gladiatorial contests.
3.
causing or marked by great pain or distress: a cruel remark; a cruel affliction.
4.
rigid; stern; strict; unrelentingly severe.
Using the remains of an animal, by definition, isn't cruel.
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Fur farmers don't usually remove the fur. Machines.
That only counts for a few modern fur farms. But like I already told you, their goals are the same as other fur farms and the animals are still treated like crap and put inside tiny bar cages that damages the body and feet. And again you ignored my information about the modern fur farms.
You have no right to call it an unnecessary goal. It's a hard thing to do, but not having to pay for shitty processed meat and getting better meat is definitely worth it.
I agree that factory farmed meat is unhealthy and more unfair than hunting. But still it's a fact that meat isn't neccecary. I don't eat meat and I am still alive. If you eat meat, that is your choice. But it is never neccecary. You know perfectly that humans don't eat meat because they must in order to survive. They eat it because they want to. A greater risk of disease just to satisfy a desire, not a need.
I have been opening the links. They don't prove anything and they're just ridiculous and biased.
The truth can be ridiculous. But it is the truth. But of course you refuse to see that as an excuse to support this violence. Do you enjoy seeing them suffer or something?
LOL. You're saying I wear fur again?
You are right. Collecting it like showing proudly "yay, an animal has died for this" is even worse than wearing it. Thanks for reminding me.
When you support animal rights, you're expecting animals to keep a full time job, pay their taxes, and follow all of the laws.
It's easy to twist my words, isn't it? And I've never seen ANY animal activist fight for animals to have jobs, vote etc.
They're using them what they were bred for.
Same for the people who sell children. Abuse.
Leather is the remains of food? Wrong. Leather is the skin of an animal.
You can play dumb, but you know what I mean. When you buy leather, you buy the remains of the animals used for food. This does NOT count for fur. Do I have to spell it out or what?
When not farmed, fur is not unnecessary and painful
It will always be unneccecary for humans, even in cold regions, to wear fur. And guess what... leaving orphans and family behind because some moron wants to see your blood spill is always painful.
Using the remains of an animal, by definition, isn't cruel.
Well then I have news for you: fur-farms their fur is NOT remains of the animals. It is the main product and the only reason these animals have to suffer and die. Fur farms are not meat farms. Meat farms do it for food. Fur farms for fashion and money.
Anyway, I've have some discussions with people every once in a while, but you're farby the most clueless person I've ever met when it comes to the subject. No offense, but you should seriously consider not getting into a discussion if you aren't familiar with the subject.
Let me guess... Of course and his buddies came crying to you. He stalks me all the time. He should be careful though, because his animal-killing buddies have been banned for printscreening and posting other people's comments without permission. But I'll let him go for now. I laughed when I saw him whine because he couldn't get to me anymore. LOL!
As for the videos I showed you, those are just examples of fur farms. Like I said, I could show you a lot more and you'd see my descriptions matches real fur farms when you'd go there.
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"Meat has essential amino acids that help to keep you happy."
I grinned. Obviously, this chick is seriously meat-deprived. And therefore bitchy. ...although I'm not sure what it has to do with her being stupid. Whoops.
Also, if ~fenrirhound had a penis, that would be epic. Just saying. She's still amazing, though.
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Nice way toi justify some lame animal-killers. But unfortunatily for you you only proved that you don't know anything about the subject at all.
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Really? That's funny, because as it happens, I grew up in a rural community (or, if you have trouble with that concept: backwoods hick town), where hunting is a way of life. Because see, not all of us are so special and privileged that we have the money to buy every meal, m'kay? That's why G-d gave us the knowledge and the tools to hunt. I don't know how religious you are or aren't, but if you'd like, you can look in the Bible, where it talks about humans hunting. But back to present day - for some people, if we didn't hunt, we wouldn't have food.
So, to recap. I agree with you that hunting for sport is wrong. But guess what? We gotta eat. Hunting for food, or when animals are raised for slaughter, that's just part of life, sugar. Yes, some of the conditions they are raised in are abominable, but on the lines of your "torture" argument, I'd like to point out that the animals are killed quickly and cleanly, generally speaking. Now, granted, there are still practices I agree with - chick sorting, for example, if you know anything about that, and what happens to baby roosters. But the simple fact remains that it's a part of life.
If you don't like the way animals are treated, go to law school and join the freakin' government so that you can DO something about it, instead of whining all over the forums like a tweenaged twat. Because obviously, you're smarter than that.
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Meat has essential amino acids that help to keep you happy. Many people who went from vegan/vegetarian to eating meat again admitted that they felt better. Never necessary? False. If you get lost in the forest, what are you going to do? Are you going to take your chances eating some mystery plant or are you going to get an animal that you can depend on to keep you nourished? I know you're going to say that that barely happens to anyone, but it's not exactly hard to get lost in a wild place. Been there, done that.
An excuse to support this violence? You're making excuses to try to avoid the fact that you don't actually know what you're talking about. Little PETA videos are rarely true. PeTA is famous for being hypocrites and idiots.
Hey, it's your point of view. I will gladly collect pelts. Doesn't make me feel guilty at all.
That's what animal rights declares. Animal Rights says that animals should have all the same rights as humans. Animal welfare is the fight against animal cruelty and abuse. There's a big difference.
So why is owning leather better than owning fur? It's the exact same concept.
Have you ever tried wearing a cotton shirt and a polyester coat outside when it's 24 below outside? It's not warm. The odds of surviving are a lot higher if you're actually warm. That rarely happens. You aren't allowed to hunt an animal that has offspring. It's illegal. In the situation of a wolf pack, then other members of the pack take care of the pups.
You're by far the most closed-minded, idiotic people I've ever seen. Talk about trying to skew facts to your own liking. I'm very familiar with the subject. Looks to me like you aren't.
Hey, ~fenrirhound is a good person. He doesn't stalk you and it was indeed me who told him about this discussion. You should keep them out of this. They're good people. They don't do anything wrong. You can post screenshots of posts as long as you block out their names. People do it all the time. What did you do, block him? Cowardly.
Yeah, and I'm sure you didn't take any time at all to read what they say. Makes you just as bad.
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It's becoming painfully obvious that this chick ain't gettin' enough protein.
I think the chemicals are sinking just a little too deep in her brain...
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Guess being a vegan isn't all that great.
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They taste ^W$&%ing awful, too.
>M<
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It's obvious that talking to you is no use, since you will only deny the truth. You do it all the time. Instead of accepting reality, you just keep denying it. I can type another rant about why meat damages the body, why people in de coldest countries don't wear fur, why fur isn't the warmest material, the difference between fur and leather, but I'm just talking to a wall that tries to justify killing in the name of fashion. I wonder or you're even a person. You even call people who mass-kill and support mass-killing the innocent "good people". Makes me wonder what kind of person raised you. It's sad to know that torture-supporting people exist. Oh well. Happy sadism-day to you and have fun living in your fantasy-world. Just telling ya that mixing fantasy up with reality isn't healthy, you know. The only one you are fooling is yourself.
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I don't support killing in the name of fashion. Never said that. You just assume things, as always. Good people raised me. Sad to know that idiotic hypocritical "vegans" exist. Says the one who doesn't know the difference between animal welfare and animal rights. Go back to your PeTA website. Just so you know, your mom's calling you for dinner. Better get out of the basement.
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I love how her entire post was one giant insult to you, your family, and the way you were raised. 
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I know. Obviously she's a better person than I'll ever be, and my parents are terrible people for raising a person like me, even though my mother is one of the best teachers in my area and my father is a very respected police officer. [link] << Yeah, my father is a damn terrible person.
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Joking aside, your father deserves a cold one on me. My mother is also a teacher, it's definitley a difficult job and it takes a rare person to do it right.
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Simply ridiculous! They should be sent to fur farms themselves!
Thanks. 
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The image of the cow fails. Because not all products it shows are made of animals. I assumed this obviously because you try to justify fur-farming with all kind of lame excuses. You're the one assuming things without proof. You probably don't even know that I'm AGAINST peta. But keep dreaming and fantasizing. But you know what; your fantasy won't change what happens in reality. ... Why am I talking to a wall anyway?
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Yeah, you talk about me trying to "deny the truth". You're against PeTA? You act just like one of those PeTARDs. I'm not a wall darling. Walls can't type.
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Peta kills animals. I do not.
Again; twisting words won't get you anywhere.
Acting like a wall neither.
Have a good day. I'm off!
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Everyone kills animals. Mosquitos, spiders, ants... It's unavoidable.
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