PaleAuthor [2014-04-12 21:26:00 +0000 UTC]

Well dammit. I was looking so much forward on getting one of my texts here. Sigh... I didn't even get a chance. Of course this ends just as I came here on DA ;_;

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Bluebellwriter7 [2014-04-12 21:19:23 +0000 UTC]

I slept on this last night. I'm not happy with the group shutting down, and I believe that the loss of one admin is not a good reason to lose 5 years of hard work. This group is such a huge part of DeviantART and to lose it over a simple mistake is ridiculous. If you feel that you can't run this group any longer, I would suggest handing it to someone else who values the group as much as you once had.

I admit to not being aware to all of the circumstances behind this apparent closing, but nevertheless, I believe that giving up on a big project like this- based on the information that you've provided- is childish and not at all necessary. There are probably more people behind this than whom I am aware of, and I'm sure you're all arguing about this. Still, only when the matter is resolved and everyone has come to a collective agreement should you bring something this big to light and involve the public. Closing a group when not everyone is ready to do so makes me think that someone decided to post this by themselves without the rest of the group's permission and the closing may not happen at all, and someone important will just leave, instead. (I admit this option is preferable, because while the loss of an important person is not ideal, it can be worked around.)

Addressing the points- don't give those away without the rest of the group's consent. They don't belong solely to one person since this is a community- based group with quite a few people involved.

I apologize for the hate mail and threats that you've received. I suggest, that if you ever decide to work on something like this again and then shut it down like this, do so gradually. Let it sink in. I remember the journal coming up in my messages box and I remember feeling horrified and upset. This announcement was sudden and (I think) not very well thought-out. Please remember that this is a much larger community than about a dozen people and that the public will react when something they don't like is about to happen. Don't take the threats too personally or it will effect your eventual decision, and I would hate for you to feel like it was the wrong one later. Review all of them with a critical eye and act as if they aren't for you. If you can't do that, pass them to someone who can.

If the group does stay, but there is a significant loss in admins, I would be happy to assist in keeping the group running, and I'm sure are many followers and members who would agree and also take on such a task.

Thank you for reading this and please take my opinions into account. While I understand that somethings I've said here many not apply to you or to the group, this is what I've gathered based on the past two journal entries. Thanks again.

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Blacksand459 [2014-04-12 20:44:54 +0000 UTC]

Here is my two cents: I wholeheartedly support DLD and the Lit Community. I desire to see DLD continue as it was.

Now, I am not privy to all the background information between you (Lisa) and the other CVs and DLD admins.

But...

Based solely upon the behavior you have displayed to the dA Community at large, you appear to be childish, petty, and hungry for creating drama for drama's sake.

Lisa, if you have an ax to grind against someone, why drag the entire Lit Comm and DLD into it? To be vindictive perhaps? Do you really enjoy all this negative attention? Do you not feel ashamed for acting so irresponsibly in matters which concern a huge group of people...people you obviously care less for?

I agree with others comments: Hand the group over to another person(s) who can responsibly oversee it. Leave it intact the way it is.

And then close the door behind you as you leave. Thank you.

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Rose-Em [2014-04-12 20:22:30 +0000 UTC]

This group just needs to be given to someone else. It's about featuring others, not the politics of who has the points. All we need is a few people to step up to take over the group and continue it as it is.

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silver-ships-fly [2014-04-12 18:54:11 +0000 UTC]

good luck. hope you find some dedicated people.

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Ferelwing [2014-04-12 18:34:31 +0000 UTC]

Wow... Good luck!

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Aconitum-Napellus [2014-04-12 18:30:49 +0000 UTC]

What an idiotic situation. There are clearly people who want to take the reins and steer the group. How petty to force them to start a new one from scratch rather than just hand over this group to someone else.

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SparkyDJM1 [2014-04-12 18:14:15 +0000 UTC]

I am sorry that you received hate mail. No one really deserves that sort of thing in their mailbox and I'm slightly disappointed that people in the community have taken that road, even if it is the first reaction.
Then again, the announcement to shut down DLD wasn't something anyone was expecting either. Certainly, the amount of outrage is understandable when you consider what DLD means to the community (although that doesn't mean hate mail is permissible. It isn't!)

I will be honest here though: why exactly do we need a new account when DLD was working just fine? Yes, it is sad to see some of the administration go, but why shut down the whole group? I'm pretty sure pages similar to DLD can co-exist with the original.
I agree with OHiNeedTea about handing it over to someone who wants to continue it. It would be a lot easier and a lot less painful than dragging this all out and probably splitting the community. I'm very surprised that such a small, private matter has gone this far in the first place!

Also, what happens with the points should be dealt with by ALL of the admin team, backed by the voice of those who gave up those points, not a single person, especially one who seemed to have lost trust in the community.

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Undomiel321 [2014-04-12 18:12:27 +0000 UTC]

I agree with SilverInkblot , LadyBrookeCelebwen , and many others posting here. Although your words and tone seem to imply that you are being reasonable, the facts just don't add up here. If the actions and motives of the current DLD admins aren't something you want to be a part of, of course there is no need for you to do so. But deciding on your own to shut it down, when obviously so many are against it isn't reasonable at all. I grant that there is probably much more to this than meets the eye, but are you seriously telling me there is no way for you all to come to an agreement that keeps DLD alive? Accusing people of working for " kudos that go with serving the community," shutting down DLD with no warning, not coming to agreement with everyone involved...all of this seems very petty and childish. 

I'm sure my opinion on the matter doesn't amount to much. I have to say I'm very saddened by this turn of events, and whether all of this was done with the best intentions or because of some kind of personal ego trip, you've definitely lost my trust. 

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Aerode [2014-04-12 17:57:40 +0000 UTC]

The points don't belong to you. It belongs to DLD, and in my humble opinion, a group decision ought to be made as to what should be done with them. However, seeing what's been done so far, I have little hope of that happening.

Hate mail and the like shouldn't be coming from this community. We're supposed to be tightly-knit and mature, but the senders are unraveling.

I urge you to please reconsider this decision. If you feel that you cannot handle the management, then I believe the majority of Deviants have mentioned handing over the reigns to someone who can.

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AyeAye12 [2014-04-12 17:09:26 +0000 UTC]

I'm confused as why a new one has to be started when reigns could be handed on to another person?

I mean, the admin team for DLDs of current have never done it for 'community kudos' from what I've seen, but if you have evidence that deters from that, then by all means please tell me about it.

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Edges-to-Everything [2014-04-12 16:40:44 +0000 UTC]

Imagine.

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TheseKrimzonFlames [2014-04-12 16:12:23 +0000 UTC]

"We" Should NOT include YOU, Lisa. You've clearly shown that you don't actually care, the ONLY reason you've gotten "reasonable" is BECAUSE of the negativity rammed down your throat. No, I'm not sorry in the least for what I've said.

You EARNED it, all of it.

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Mattiello [2014-04-12 16:06:18 +0000 UTC]

Perhaps individuals can run their own campaigns based upon these valued and cherished ideals.   There are two ways to work this out:  Once the campaigns are finished, either a vote could be cast for all the members to participate - thus choosing the appropriate cadidate -  or Vertigo, Krimzon, yourself, and other senior members could vote for the individual that most embodies the principles of DLD. Or even a waited point system incorporating both.  

I'm thinking that this idea is more fair for everyone involved, especially since many people in the literature community own a part of DLD after DLD featured their work.  Kinda like dA itself, eh?

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callerofcrows [2014-04-12 15:52:31 +0000 UTC]

Lisa, 

I'm sorry you've received hate mail--nobody deserves that. Glad to see that there's a more rational process for continuing the community taking place. Thanks for this update, it clarified a lot.  

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SilverInkblot [2014-04-12 15:50:49 +0000 UTC]

I believe LadyBrookeCelebwen said it best. I'd love to send you a note about continuing my job, but I don't want anything to do with a group sanctioned by you at the moment.

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WorldWar-Tori [2014-04-12 15:40:26 +0000 UTC]

See this, this is a much more approachable journal than the previous. This shows some sort of clarity and thinking is being done other than rash decisions and quick actions. Also I respect that the page will not be deactivated.

While I agree; there are plenty of people who would be more than willing to take the reigns and keep DLD going the way it has been for the past years, much like OHiNeedTea mentioned I think would be the best of all available options.

However, my feelings about this sudden turn of events; the threats, hate messages and such are extremely uncalled for not to mention sickening and childish. I had hoped that our community wouldn't stoop that low, past expressing their thoughts and feelings beyond the direct issues at hand.

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Solarune [2014-04-12 15:33:38 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for listening. I am so sorry that you've received hate mail. I do understand people's confusion and upset, but threats and vitriol are not an appropriate response. I am very, very glad that you are willing to help people carry on DLD in some form, as I think it would be a huge blow for the Lit community (and unfair on the writes it helps) for it to be lost.

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neurotype-on-discord [2014-04-12 15:29:36 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry to hear you're getting this level of shit. I thought this community was better than that. We don't know the full story, we know gut reactions are dangerous... or I thought we did, anyway.

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BeccaJS [2014-04-12 15:18:35 +0000 UTC]

something DLD or DLD-like

Like DDs?

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AspiredWriter [2014-04-12 15:17:15 +0000 UTC]

i was going to say something but got there first. if you want nothing to do with the group, just turn it over. i also agree about the credits though one should get credit for his/her work, the work is the most important thing and the affect it has on others. i also deplore the attacks and i'm alarmed to hear of fb attacks as well.

this is all confusing to me. i don't know what to think anymore. all i know is that i want the group to continue as it has this past day (not talking about the problems clearly rising in running it) i take no side because i know not what side to take. so i take the only side i can. i side with DLD and the dA lit community as a whole.

i emplore everyone to be civil and stop the hostilities. everything can be handled in the ways of peace. let DLD continue to thrive, obviously there are those who wish to run it and i don't see any reason to close it down.

as for credit where credit due, i know not for i haven't kept on top of all that so my positive feelings and love go to all who took care of DLD and did such hard work regardless of if they own it or just helped out.

please stop the hostilities and return to the love that dA has to share!

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LadyBrookeCelebwen [2014-04-12 15:17:09 +0000 UTC]

The decision on what to do with the points shouldn't be made by you. The people who donated the points donated them to DLD, and looking through the people in the widget, many of them are the same people that are outright furious at all of this. Hand over the group, let the points sit (but that would a shame), give them to the people most of us associate with DLD - which would be the admins that have been active and posting the journals, giving the features, etc - if they start a new group. But not to some group that is approved by you, on the basis of who 'doesn't seem interested in the kudos of serving the lit community", when you've made decisions without any of the active admins.

Any points given were given because people trusted them to run things and make decisions. Much of the lit community at this point doesn't trust you, and whether you find that fair or not, it's the facts.

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nosedivve [2014-04-12 15:07:40 +0000 UTC]

I'm not really sure why DLD has to end when it's far from an unanimous decision, and when so many people, including staff members, do not wish to see the group from closing. Couldn't you just give someone, who wants to run it as founder or whatnot, the credentials for the account and you can just leave DLD yourself and forget about the group if you don't care for it anymore?

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DailyBreadCafe [2014-04-12 15:02:05 +0000 UTC]

OR you could just hand the group and account over to someone else who wants to continue it and save the hassle of having to make new accounts, groups etc.

Just a thought.

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